here now we're only dealing with gaddafi as if he were simply evil incar in that and while he has that dimension, there are other dimensions as well. again, as you started out this conversation, this is all against the backdrop of two other conflicts in the region, a mounting budget deficit. we really got to ask ourselves, is this the right policy for the united states at this time as you can tell from what i have said tonight, i have my doubts. tavis: president of the council of foreign relations, richard haass glad to have you on the program. thank you for your insights and your time. >> thanks for having me. tavis: up next artist and filmmaker julian schnabel, stay with us. julian schnabel is a widely regarded filmmaker whose projects including "the diving bell and the butterfly" and "before night falls." his latest film is set against the backdrop of the israeli-palestinian conflict in the middle east. it's called "miral" starring freida pinto from "slumdog" millionaire. here is a clip. >> there has been an uprising. we live in paradise every day. >> this school is the difference b