and still have it mess taft size which is incasual, and cellular biology is more powerful than that.you did everything right back in 2006. >> i did everything i could at the time. and i achieved what is called a ned status, no evidence of disease, but it doesn't mean that the cells are gone, and they can come back. and there's this focus. [ audio difficulties ] >> but america, as lisa belkin wrote about back then, so in addition to commercialization and marketing, it begs the question, how much can you put on a t-shirt or an yogurt lid to raise awareness of the realities, and these are the kind of realities that don't make it out in the commercial setting, and that's a huge part of the issue. >> and another part of the issue is there's a lot of collateral damage from the treatment. we act like you go through your treatments and you're fine, and we don't talk about the chemotherapy brain and the numb toes and the pain and the consequences from the surgery, and the swelling of the arm. so it's not all -- even if you're cured, which some people are, you still pay a huge price. and we're