budget into balance with the long-term thatoes not include some increasingevenue, significant increasing revenue. >> increasing revenue by eliminating deductions. >> that is not enough to give you room, to get you a significant reduction in rates. i think we need to reduce the reductions and also raise rates. let me just s i don't-- i don't see any evidence that the u.s. tax system messy as it is, is a major drag on our economy. this is not our problem. we have lots of problems. if i were to make a list of the 20 top things that are worrying me about the u.s. economy, i'm not sure that the tax system would even make it into that list. certainly it would be near the bottom. >> i think you need to broaden the tax rate but i disagree that you want to raise rates. i disagree you want to raise rates but dow need to generate more revenues as compar to historical levels. there is another thing to put on the table. we have to put on the table some type of consumption tax for several reasons. one, we have a huge undergrind economy, both legal and illegal. will you never totally capture through an