independence party folks ever so much for being with us mr an apple the summit still going on out there in brussels but we heard earlier the president of the euro group saying that even with a new bailout greece could still do fold if only partially does that ring worrying bells for you at this early stage. well i think it rings warning bells for the european commission and the mandarins in brussels and the fact of the matter is that this european currency the euro was never going to work anyway it was always about politics it was never about economics the idea that you could fix greece into the same economic zone or the same economic cottonseed is germany is quite frankly ridiculous what greece needs to do is it needs to come out of the euro it needs to be able to devalue its own currency it needs to be able to set its own exchange rates and it needs to get its economy moving and as i say it can't do that with the euro let's look at the last example of a country or a major country which defaults of which was argentina it's a fault in two thousand and one from two thousand and two to tw

my father is a vice president of the independence party. and he has been involved in many anti-nuclear demonstrations. just going what am i going to say to them when they ask what did you do to get my country into the situation it's on that's what i worry about. we were of the atom bomb generation. battle your boat down it's on have a good time don't worry about anything else we'll look after your country. france is keeping its nuclear arsenal because it needs the nuclear deterrent to discourage various threats to its vital interests. is the doctrine that was established in the sixty's and it is still valid today. that the leaders of the church and i've been one since one thousand nine hundred sixty three we have never agreed with nuclear testing. but we cannot agree to weapons of mass destruction this it's not possible. to find it's not just since the french tests we were against the american nuclear tests in the marshall islands. long before france in one nine hundred forty six the united states and then great britain chose the pacific to

agent already owns other british newspapers of the free a london evening standard and the independent parties lore and it has more on why he wants of the tabloid which has sparked a scandal. there's been a huge amount of media hype here in the u.k. if you can imagine a nation sitting around glued to its t.v. screens into its radio. as the top executives from news corp and prime minister david cameron have all been paraded before m.p.'s and had to answer some very tough questions a lot of media surrounding that but now and i should this is just reports coming from the media that alexander lebedev hasn't confirmed this himself but it looks like he may be interested in becoming the hero of the piece essentially picking up the news of the world and releasing it under a new name which media reports are saying that he might call it world's news instead of news of the world he would just tell you a little bit about leverage if he is estimated by forbes magazine to have a fortune of two point one billion dollars and of course he shares in era floats he also owns a newspaper in russia novogratz yet a

we wanted revisited, reviewed, and investigated, not by them, but by an independent party with your oversight. that is all we are requesting. let the chips fall where they fall. we want it reviewed, revisited, and investigate it. we know we have a conspiracy and collusion. thank you. supervisor campos: thank you. i ask that you refer your comments to the committee, please. >> star miles, resident of bayview-hunters point. we need accountability. remove amy. the issue we are here to talk about accountability. we have no objection to additional training, but it does not get to the issue that we are here to address today. everything that the dph representatives involved in this cover up or commenting on the need to be reopened and investigated. there is testimony before you wall and it has impacted the decisions that this city made. everything her hands have touched needs to be examined. now we know that their opinions were biased in an effort to conceal the true -- truth. it caused the community to be divided amongst each other. we're calling for the removal of the environmental engineer, amy b

independence party gerrard bad things europe has invited terrorism with policy of unlimited immigration cultural. i think that in many ways we invited this problem because hand in hand with mass unlimited immigration into prices like britain and also into into places like denmark and sweden and norway not quite as bad as ours but by a large amount of immigration we've actually also had this policy of multiculturalism and i like to draw a distinction if i can between what i call private multiculturalism and public state sponsored multiculturalism private multiculturalism where people enjoy their religious and cultural customs in private that's for i don't have a problem and i think you know i went to a hindu wedding recently and i really enjoyed it they really made me welcome on a lovely time the problem that we've got is with public state sponsored multiculturalism and even david cameron mrs merkel president sarkozy they've all now admitted that this is a problem here's where we have imported cultural customs into our country which are not appropriate in a western liberal advance democr

independence party told me bailouts could last for ages now for no exit out of the debt trap. we can continue propping up the euro and we can continue pouring money into this and the idea that britain my all country isn't putting any money in it's complete nonsense because we are all ready to build our contribution to the i.m.f. it's now over twenty billion so we're contributing to this we don't want to bail out these basket case economies anymore and as i say the only way greece will be able to get its economy kickstarted is by breaking out of the prison of the euro and i can see you as benjamin franklin once says there are only two certainties in life but stephan taxes if greece remains in the auto i can see you the smaller the thing i will be back here in six months have this exact same conversation time will tell all the critics don't frighten those keen to join you as we report later this hour. with the struggling to keep it head above water there is no fun can't be there ready to get on board while some comic take the climbing on the titanic are thinking. investigations

what the poll says about the growing tension between nontea party republicans and independents and the tea party itself. we're going to crunch the numbers with the pollsters. >>> plus independents and the tea party were in the same place in 2010. right now they're not. what does that mean for the presidential race in 2012? you're watching "the daily rundown" on msnbc. >>> bottom of the hour. just 13 days left until the august 2nd debt deadline, and both sides could soon return to the bargaining table perhaps at the white house today. the outline released from the senate's gang of six is getting much attention but realize it is not the vehicle to get the debt ceiling raised. >>> more than 30 states from the midwest to new england are under heat advisories as blazing temperatures move east. relief isn't coming fast enough as cooler air isn't expected to start pushing out the heat until the weekend. >>> the opening bell is about to ring on wall street. there they are there. investors are hoping to build on yesterday's gigantic gains. >>> few other stories making headlines. minnesota could

independence party just about even all four balls coming through for loads and i'm already some a link with good duffy's promise that we all recall to strike back against europe could that be what's happening here do you think. the last news report i had was in the car on the way here about an hour ago before i got on public transport and all i knew was that it was in the prime minister the prime minister's office that time with a couple of people being killed people not entirely in wreckage and someone had gone on a shooting spree. with a gun so that's about all i know i don't nothing about the origins of this and who might have carried it out so i mean i don't know and i couldn't hear your last report on the friday before i came on so i don't know whether you were able to. say well enough of anyone's claim responsibility you know they haven't and it is early days and i say you know first and foremost our thoughts are with the families and friends of the people that are killed and the people that are injured and not a lot of calling absolutely appalling put of course you do start thin

could this anger fuel an actual third party on independent candidacy come 2012. we saw it with ross perot, could it happen again? welcome our guests. good guys to have on this topic. hurd fineman, let me start with you, look, the direction of the country just 29% right now in our poll. we got the president's approval rating on the economy is upside down. way over 50% disapprove. congress's job rating is sitting in the teens. the idea that the republicans brought change to congress, majority say, no or the wrong type of change. it's all there. what's it going to take? >> there aren't any respected figure or institution on the landscape, you're right. i was out in minnesota last week at a democrat event where they were charging themselves up for the big budget fight. i didn't hear anybody say anything particularly nice about barack obama. they didn't attack him. they didn't say anything. on the republican side all they're doing is not paying attention to their own candidates. they're just attacking the president as the center of all evil. what's it going to take? i

news of the world's top lawyer with any other position papers the bundle even stand with an independent parties nor any to ports from london now with the phone hacking scandal is. also the prime minister david cameron. every point this is a humble. i'm enjoying this so i who will survive the phone hacking scandal and to keep his job cameron comes under fire for hiring andy coolth a former editor of the now defunct news of the world he's accused of encouraging his staff to hack into private police mails there's been a large amount of fingers in isn't just a lot of heads in the sand and that is lethal for a prime minister and he's. in a real fight isn't a real really bad situation he could well be looking at some serious consequences very bizarre at the very start still around him betting shops of slacks the odds on cameron being the next m.p. to quit the hacking they offered one hundred to one at the beginning of the week that just five to one three days later in the last two weeks or so we've seen a lot of money go on camera tickly the last forty eight hours when the the committees have been go

a potential candidate for an independent candidacy or third-party ticket.ten. >> i think it would be somebody, a guy named chuck hagel, for example, a republican senator from nebraska. >> endorsed obama, essentially. >> yeah, yeah, and she a trick guy. i could see a guy like that and maybe a slightly disaffected democrat coming together and forming a team that could change american politics. >> this goes to this idea that, because the business community isn't very well thought of, frankly, these days, you're not going to get a businessman, a la perot or lee iacocca, warren buffett, probably too old to run for president. no other figure. a disaffected paul. that was his theory. >> who was that handsome guy interviewing angus? >> bring it on. there you go. >> chris, i thought he would mention chuck. when he said chuck i thought he was going to say, chuck todd. >> yeah, well. >> you bring up a good point. the wall street business tycoon type is going to wear a little less well after every -- you know, the bank bailout and everything we've seen with the economy

some of them are independent because they think the republican party is too far to the left or vice verseaat if you can get a moderate middle of the road independent candidate on the ballot for president that those percentages you showed in those states, 33, 35%, 45% new hampshire would necessarily vote for that person, i'm not sure that would be the case. having said all of that, the public is definitely ready for the change in the way politics is being done. >> governor king, where does this person come from? i say this because 20 years ago people actually looked up to ceos and looked up to the business community. you don't see that these days. people are sour on everybody. they feel like so many institutions have let them down. how does a third party candidate or independent candidate gain credibility? is it simply a reformed democrat or reformed republican who says, you know what, i'm out of here, i'm going to do it a different way? where do these potential presidents come from? >> i think it's exactly what you just said. i think it's going to be somebody from one of other of the two p

>> i -- i found ed -- switched o the independent party do you it the hostility of the republican party. i'm still, you know, the president of the largest hispanic republican group in the nation. >> but you're not a republican. help me understand this. >> not right now. >> okay. but with that said, with the tea party movement, as you well know, let's just look at washington, for example, the pressure john boehner is feeling is coming from the tea party and these negotiations. the tea party has great influence over the republican party, which you are a part of, but not today a part of. nonetheless, how did you distinguish your organization or what you plan to do to get latino voters out and be, as you said, non-partisan? >> here's the thing. with regard to the tequila party we are made up of republican leaders as well as democratic leaders so we have leaders on both sides of the aisle trying to neutralize the tea party extremists so that we could give political covering toe politicians who want to address and have the courage to take on the tough issue of immigration. >> well, it's an in

today the former participants in the rallies for georgia's independence. into a party. that are aim is to create a party that is without parallel and georgian history it should be a party based on genuine national values shared by most people in our country. the leader of the new party is live. a former magnets in the wine industry he has the support of. really the architect of the country's leading television company and george's last ambassador to russia the party's third leader is a historian who has won the nation's affection as an honest man. georges rulers in recent years have been so different the one. would be hard put to say which of them is fully to blame for the present day situation there are no independent courts of law democratic institutions are not allowed to develop and the country's people are intimidated in the autumn of two thousand and eight a group of friends met in old warehouses turned into studios in moscow they were artists who are keen to participate in an international project that was to take place in the home of. the will this is a remarkab

party is. in britain in the bulk of the independent labour party which is the most important stuck with the leaderthe coalition went to the government side. and germany the social democratic party there which was buy far the largest and most powerful socialist party in europe, had something like 30 or 35% of the vote in germany and other institutions, they divided and there were a small number of the 120 or 30 deputies who voted against extending work credits that kaiser had asked for on the eve of the war. the tragedy that one feels looking at this period is i think all of these people initially before the war have the right idea is thinking it was much more important to feel solidarity with your fellow human beings on the left who were struggling for great social changes then to have a legion to the nation's state but the powerful drive that people seem to have within them, we all have somewhere within the us prove to be more powerful. amazing ways there is a demonstration against the coming war of 100,000 people in berlin, four days before the first shots were fired. after coming even in the ge

outsider. >> i think presidential elections it's hard enough to find a viable, credible third party independentcandidate. but you know -- it virtually never happens. i don't think it's a legitimate possibility. >> when does the angry turn is my question? >> i think they're going to start throwing out incumbents in both parties. you could see if they're angry and they throw out republicans in two elections, democrats in the next election and if things seem just as dysfunctional or more so, i think they start throwing a bunch of bodies out of windows and some are red and some are blue. but it's people who weren't seen as responsive. i think these guys are on very, very thin ice here because i think people look at washington and they see this dysfunction and they throw the in party out. right now in the house of representatives the in party is republicans. >> at what point do voters say where's all this focus on jobs that at first republicans were promising then democrats instead it's all been debt talk. >> i think -- i don't think that, i think they've lost faith in government. and government's a

party's there. you know, in britain the bulk of the independent labor party, most important of these parties stuck withr in his stand against the war, but many other members of the labor coalition and parliament went over to the government side. party there which was, by far, the largest and most powerful socialist party in europe, they had something like 30, 35 percent of the vote in germany. powerful newspapers, other institutions. they provided, and there were a small number, i think about a dozen of the hundred and 20 or hundred and 30 socialist deputies who voted against extending work credits, which the kaiser had asked for on the eve of the war. the tragedy that one feels looking at this is that i think all of these people, you know, initially before the war had the right ideals. they felt that it was much more important to feel solidarity with your fellow human beings, with your fellow human beings on the left to were struggling for great social changes then it was to feel allegiance to the nation state. once the war began, the lure of tribalism, the powerful, powerful drive that people seem to

. >> absolutely -- >> do you think if we had a third party, an independent third party that you would> i don't think third parties have ever done much in the united states and i don't think that there's a real solution to be found in a third party. in many ways in terms of the policy debates we're not really talking about huge idealogical divisions as i said in some ways the parties are more uniform than they once were. what's kind of remarkable about this moment as i said is you've.this essentially procedural question that's been weighted down with all of this politics. while we have seen moments of fierce contests in the past, you mentioned watergate, the league of nations, it's been about much bigger issues in and of themselves. >> professor, it's so good to have you with me today. thank you for your time. >> thanks a lot. >> thank you. >> they're you're seeing a live picture of the white house. again, we're waiting to hear the most recent developments. we know that john boehner is going to try to push through a vote on his bill to deal with the debt ceiling. his would include a ba