of individuals who are eligible, they basically determined the question of cost or savings was indeterminable as the report was filed. with that, i will introduce bill hall -- a bill called mark. >> thank you. -- i will introduce a bill hallmark. >> the cost or savings due to drop cannot be determined with certainty. there are couple of factors that lead to that. the first is the limited experience timeframe at two and half years and the fact that was the initial time in behavior in the initial time maybe somewhat different than the program that is ongoing. the second issue is not dependent of the time. in order to determine the cost or savings, we need to compare what actually happened to what would have happened if the drought program did not exist. it is impossible to determine with any kind of certainty what decision officers would have made if the drought program did not exist. we can only compare to patterns prior to drop, but other factors could have intervened. generally, if a member enters drop when they would have otherwise retired had the program not existed, there is a savings. he

we do not have much data as everybody seems to agree various scenarios seem to be indeterminable at the moment. the problem is the way proposition b was written is that it has not enabled the city based on the commentary by the controller's office to study the program. in a way that presents a variety of scenarios. what is before us three very strict interpretation is the fact that this program buys, subsets by june 30th of laws were have -- -- it was we had something that gives us the ability to respond to. of not hearing what gives us the pliability. >> you do not have a report that says there is an absolute cost to drop. there is a range. there may be a cost, there may be a savings. my hope is that you give it more time and collect the data and get more experience. supervisor mirkarimi: but you have a charter amendment. you have a constitutional issue on charter. this was your strategy, meeting your clients strategy, one that many of us had supported. the city's strict interpretation is the fact that

. >> so the bottom line is when you say, and you place a label homicide by indeterminate means, you'rential evidence to you says that it probably was a homicide? >> not probably, i think that is the only logical conclusion based scientifically on some of the scientific information we have, based on observational information we have about homicides and children dying. >> reporter: the medical examiner says not reporting the alleged drowning and dumping the body in the woods were key reasons for her declaration, and something even more damaging to the defense. >> there is no child that should have duct tape on its face when it dies. there is no reason to put duct tape on the face after they die. >> reporter: the prosecution is now saying the duct tape found on the skull of little caylee was the murder web that caylee was suffocated. this forensic anthropologist created a computer-generated video using this picture. we can't show the picture, because it includes her skull. but it shows how the duct tape could have been situated on caylee's face. >> would the single piece of tape if applie

i would say his approach indetermination, he says that they would draw money out of helicopters if necessaryplay. compared to paul volcker who in 1979, we had high inflation rates and he said we need to save the dollar to say the economy, to get a straight up to 20%. he was one was forced to restrain. his approach was different, but i terps -- i try very hard even though and criticizing the very central bankers, but across the system more than anything, but they're trying to manage an unmanageable system and the flaw is that they trust the system. they are not capable. they just do not have the information. only the market as with the interest rates should be. make it 1% or 2% so they get cheated. it is a very unfair system. there is no way, no matter how well intended they are, and basically i am sure they are well intended, they cannot manage it. >> should be about to the gold standard? >> i do not use those words, the constitution says and it should -- it has not been repealed. much of what i have written about the fed, i do not think we need that, but i always say that the transition sho

. >> so the bottom line is when you say and you place a label homicide by indeterminate means, you areou says that it probably was a homicide. >> not probably. i think that is the only logical conclusion based scientifically on some of the scientific information we have based on observational information we have about homicides and children dying. >> reporter: casey's defense team says caylee accidentally drowned in the backyard swimming pool, but dr. g says that just doesn't square statistically in drownings. 100% of all drownings have 911 calls from a family member or somebody hoping that the child who drowned can be revived. there was no call in this case. meantime, outside the courthouse, much more order this morning. a strong police presence as hundreds of people show up fighting for position, but today much more controlled. this follows the fight yesterday that landed one woman on a stretcher headed to the hospital and a lot of pushing and shoving. lester. >> kerry sanders in orlando, thanks. zimplgt the graphic descriptions about the condition of caylee's remains dominated the t

>> it's indeterminate right now. dramatically reduced clearly, the model is still iraq. and then that gets into what's being worked right now in this strategic partnership approach between afghanistan and the united states and what does it mean long term in terms of any u.s. footprint i just don't have the answer. >> thank you very much for your testimony and your integrity. >> thank you. mr. wilson? >> thank you, mr. chairman. admiral, madam secretary, thank you for being here today. and, admiral, i appreciate your testimony bringing up the extraordinary progress by the american military their service in afghanistan. and i'm just so grateful, too, of your reference to winning in afghanistan. the american people need to know that progress is being made and we can win. and, madam secretary, i appreciate your referencing how important it is that we do win and that we're successful in afghanistan. i wish the american people knew, really, the level of achievement such as the security forces and you've provided the information today, and i appreciate congressman andrews refer

>> it's indeterminate right now. dramatically reduced, clearly. the model is still iraq. and in that -- then that gets into what's being worked right now in this strategic partnership approach between afghanistan and the united states and what does it mean long term in terms of any kind of u.s. footprint, i just don't have the answer to that. >> thank you very much again for your testimony and your integrity. >> thank you, mr. wilson. >> thank you, mr. chairman, admiral, madam secretary, thank you for being here today. admiral, i appreciate your testimony bringing up the extraordinary progress by the american military, their service in afghanistan. and i'm just so grateful, too, of your reference to winning in afghanistan. the american people need to know that progress is being made and we can win. and madam secretary, i appreciate you referencing how important it is that we do win and that we're successful in afghanistan. i wish the american people knew, really, the level of achievement such as the security forces. and you've provided the information today, and i appreci