. >> you are critical of the climate change bill and what it would mean for the indiana economy. i wonder if you are more optimistic about the approach the senators are taking where they are looking at a national cap on carbon but applying it to different parts of the economy differently. do you see things that would help us in terms of climate change and energy efficiency without hurting the economy? >> you could not do worse than the original legislation. in terms of our national economy, certainly in indiana, that was a formula for driving jobs offshore and for much higher utility rates on people in this state who griffin sell- afford it, so any alternative to the region who could ill-afford it--for people who could ill- afford it. the economy was about to be hit by new cost of health care plan, so i would commend these folks for looking for a new and perhaps a better way, but i do hope to be very careful and remember that we do not have all long time of very sustained economic growth. we do not have a prayer of paying our bills, let alone listing the -- listing the intolerabl

to plan for its implementation. >> i've been out to indiana with president obama, who sort of made elk hart something of a touch stone for the economy and the jobs picture nationwide. i wonder what you think people there think about the economic turn around and president obama's performance, and throughout indiana, whether they're starting to see something in washington that's being effective in terms of the economy, or if they see a total separation between the economy on the ground and what's going on in washington. >> i don't think they see much impact, at least of a positive nature, from anything that's happened nationally. i can give you the good news, which is that unemployment has dropped several percent. i don't think you can trace any of it to activities fiscally at least in washington. what those who just visited our state may not have known is that elk hart came to everyone's attention not because it's been down a long time but because it was so suddenly hit. it was at full employment less than two years ago. i hope it's on its way back. but i think it's much more about the indiana economic environment and the long-time a

diane eastabrook reports. >> reporter: if you're looking for signs the economy's recovering, you'll find them in elkhart county, indiana where 70% of the nation's recreational vehicles are built. jayco, the nation's third largest r.v. maker, is building twice as many trailers and motor homes as it did a year ago. it's also hiring back many of the workers it furloughed during the recession. marketing director sid johnson calls his business a good economic indicator. >> our customers, while conservative, are also the type of people who can afford to do things that they want to do for their family. and so when there's an upturn, even in anticipation of a general economic upturn, they begin buying again. >> reporter: this corner of indiana has traditionally been a barometer of sorts for the overall economy because it tends to lead the rest of the nation into and out of recession. the most recent downturn started here in the spring of 2008 when gas prices took off and the housing market tanked. those two factors caused the r.v. industry to collapse. as a result, r.v. makers like jayco, damon, and coachmen industries pink-sl

economy. what can we do to preserve jobs in the u.s. and in indiana? i believe you do it through tax cuts. we are losing jobs to mexico.

economy moving. i come from northeast india out with high unemployment rates. -- northeast indiana. need sound policies like energy policies that will get our economy moving again rather than more government. money to buy additional equipment or employ new employees so certainly we must make the bush tax cuts permanent this year but more than that, we must simply stop the spending we have a $3.9 trillion budget that is one-third out of balance one-third out of balance that's $1.3 trillion out of budget we simply cannot continue in that manner we must stop the spending and we must cut our budgets and make the bush tax cuts permanent and that will go a along way to help small businessmen like myself >> moderator: mr. hostettler? >> ronald reagan often said >> it is not that the government tax is too little bit is that it spends too much. i have consistently voted to cut taxes across the board in order to allow people to keep more of their money and recognized that they invest much more wisely than bureaucrats. they have created the jobs as a result of the spending. might impose to bri

economy moving. i come from northeast india out with high unemployment rates. -- northeast indiana. eed sound policies like energy policies that will get our economy moving again rather than more government. money to buy additional equipment or employ new employees so certainly we must make the bush tax cuts permanent this year but more than that, we must simply stop the spending we have a $3.9 trillion budget that is one-third out of balance one-third out of balance that's $1.3 trillion out of budget we simply cannot continue in that manner we must stop the spending and we must cut our budgets and make the bush tax cuts permanent and that will go a along way to help small businessmen like myself >> moderator: mr. hostettler? >> ronald reagan often said >> it is not that the government tax is too little bit is that it spends too much. i have consistently voted to cut taxes across the board in order to allow people to keep more of their money and recognized that they invest much more wisely than bureaucrats. they have created the jobs as a result of the spending. might impose to bring

economy moving. i come from northeast india out with high unemployment rates. -- northeast indiana. need sound policies like energy policies that will get our economy moving again rather than more government. money to buy additional equipment or employ new employees so certainly we must make the bush tax cuts permanent this year but more than that, we must simply stop the spending we have a $3.9 trillion budget that is one-third out of balance one-third out of balance that's $1.3 trillion out of budget we simply cannot continue in that manner we must stop the spending and we must cut our budgets and make the bush tax cuts permanent and that will go a along way to help small businessmen like myself >> moderator: mr. hostettler? >> ronald reagan often said >> it is not that the government tax is too little bit is that it spends too much. i have consistently voted to cut taxes across the board in order to allow people to keep more of their money and recognized that they invest much more wisely than bureaucrats. they have created the jobs as a result of the spending. might impose to brin

economy moving. i come from northeast india out with high unemployment rates. -- northeast indiana. eed sound policies like energy policies that will get our economy moving again rather than more government. money to buy additional equipment or employ new employees so certainly we must make the bush tax cuts permanent this year but more than that, we must simply stop the spending we have a $3.9 trillion budget that is one-third out of balance one-third out of balance that's $1.3 trillion out of budget we simply cannot continue in that manner we must stop the spending and we must cut our budgets and make the bush tax cuts permanent and that will go a along way to help small businessmen like myself >> moderator: mr. hostettler? >> ronald reagan often said >> it is not that the government tax is too little bit is that it spends too much. i have consistently voted to cut taxes across the board in order to allow people to keep more of their money and recognized that they invest much more wisely than bureaucrats. they have created the jobs as a result of the spending. might impose to bring

economy. what can we do to preserve jobs in the u.s. and in indiana? i believe you do it through tax cuts. are losing jobs to mexico. we have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world. why don't we incentivize businesses to grow in our great state? let's not penalize them for sending jobs elsewhere. >> i agree with that. while trade agreements must be fair and must scrutinize them carefully, it is important as a nation that the u.s. be able to export to other countries. in the and that derives a great number of jobs from the export of goods. we have to be careful not to cut off our nose to spite our face. we need to provide the basis for jobs to be preserved in america. the incentives through lower regulations -- this administration is imposing taxes on small business, in opposing that on indiana is costing us all lot of money -- imposing that on indiana is costing us. >> benjamin franklin said no country was ever destroyed from free trade. what we have done with nafta has been one part -- it has been good but we are hurting american jobs through higher taxes. we have the second h

economy. those are facts, not political myth. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from indiana rise? >> ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. pence: thank you, mr. speaker. you know, groucho marx said years ago, who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? i have to wonder, america, -- mr. speaker, hearing democrats talking about cutting taxes more than any other congress in history. let me see if we can do this. they passed a budget with record taxes and spending, led $1 trillion to the national debt in the next years, they passed a national energy tax called cap and trade that will cause utility rates go up on small businesses, family farms and businesses across this country by hundreds of billions of dollars and we just passed obamacare with $600 billion of tax increases. they're standing in front of the american people on the day before tax day, on the day before tens of millions of americans that will take the street and say e