i'm joined by fabio rojas from indiana university. he joins me from indianapolis. professor, thank you for joining us. let's starts with this issue of free speech on campuses. some argue that free speech itself is under attack in the very place that it shouldn't be, that free speech should be flourishing. do you afwree. >> i don't think i quite agree with that. i think there's conflicts about what you can and can't say. i think people can have honest disagreements about the difference between offering a sdending point of view and attacking or taunting someone else. these arguments are very important to have. we need to be able to express a difference of opinions without alienating other people or making people feel they're not want odd campus. >> who determines what line is? >> well, there are many people that determine it. first the students who pay tuition to be there, the teachers, the faculty such as myself that have classes. the administrators who run the whole operation and set up rules for interaction on campus and the wider society. these are parents that h

school where job prospects are more promising after graduation, so he attended law school at indiana university out of state tuition is more than $40,000 a year. first-year students are encouraged not to work and take out additional loans to pay for housing and living expenses to focus on their studies. >> you are thinking it is going to be one number, and it's completely different when you get out. >> reporter: he had borrowed $171,000 by the time he graduated, a mix of federal and private loans, but with interest accruing, those loans ballooned up to $203,000, something he like many students reasoned would be offset by the salary he earned after graduation. >> when i left my swearing-in ceremony, my family and i went out to eat, and i applied for a job there as a server. >> reporter: in fact, roughly 10% of last year's law grads are unemployed. and only about two-thirds have jobs that actually require a law license. but that hasn't stopped the price of a legal education from skyrocketing. since 1985 the average cost has increased by more than 2.5 times. in-state tuition has increased by more

terps fans headed to college park will notice more security at today's football game against indiana university. fans can expect to see more k-9 dogs and uniformed officers, backpacks will not be allowed and fans can expect to go through some strict security. >>> all new in morning, we're learning about a fairfax county man seriously hurt in an early morning house fire. the victim called 911 around 4:30 when he couldn't get out. crews were able to rescue the man as well as his dog, the dog was taken to the man mall hospital, expected to be okay, officials say the fire was smoky but no i think maar damage. >>> all the heightened security we've been telling you about comes after an extremist group overtook a hotel in the west african country of mali. 20 people killed in that capital city, terrorists held more than 100 people captive. about a dozen americans were among those rescued at the radisson hotel. a former al qaeda commander is claiming responsibility. mali's government is in a state of emergency and has declared three days of mourning. >>> and one of those victims is 41 why he recalled an

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. >> elite schools, instead he attended law school at indiana university where out of state tuition is more than $40,000 per year. first year students are also typically encouraged not to work and take out additional loans to pay for housing and living expenses. so as to focus on their studies. and so the debt started to pile up about. >> and you're thinking it's going to be one number and it's completely different when you get out. >> by the time blake graduated he had borrowed $171,000, a mix of both federal and private loans but with interest accruing those loans soon ballooned up to more than $203,000 something he like other students reasoned would be offset by the salary he would earn after graduation. and yet even after he passed the bar, blake couldn't find a job. >> when i left my swearing-in ceremony my family and i went to eat and i applied there for a job as a server. >> approximately 10% of law school grads are unemployment, twice the national rate and over two-thirds of them have a job that actually require a law license. but that hasn't stopped the price of a legal educat

indiana university of pennsylvania. you studied design there. chad: yeah.mily: what kind of kid were you growing up? chad: i would not say i was the most academic child growing up. but i was curious about things. i really enjoyed art. for me, growing up, dabbling, i guess, you do not need to be an engineer to have a startup. you just need to be someone with ideas. and you have to follow through with creating something that others can relate to. so, for me, you know, art and startups are not too different. emily: how did you end up in silicon valley? chad: i read about a small startup beaming money through palm pilots. at the time, the company was called confinity. and they had a palm pilot product called paypal. i had just recently graduated from college and was trying to decide what i wanted to do. i was sitting at home and simply wrote them an e-mail. because on their website, they said they were looking for a web designer. i had a design background. luckily enough for me, they responded. about a week later, i was here in silicon valley working for them.

. >> his score wouldn't get him in an elite school, so instead, he attended law school at indiana university, where out of state tuition is more than $40,000 per year. first year students are encouraged not to work and take out additional loans to pay housing and living expenses to focus on their studies, so the debt started to pileum. >> you're thinking it's going to be one number and it's completely different when you get out. he had borrowed $171,000 by the time he graduated, a might have been of both federal and private loans, but with interest acrossing, they ballooned up to $203,000, something he like many students reasoned would eventually be off set by the salary he'd earn after graduation. after he'd passed the bar, blake couldn't find a jock. >> when i left my swearing in ceremony, my family and i went out to eat and i applied for a job there as a server. >> in fact, roughly 10% of last year's law grads are unemployed. that's nearly twice the national rate and only two thirds of them have a job that requires a law license. that hasn't stopped the price of legal education from skyro

indiana university police are helping with the investigation. police say a man with a gun knocked on the victim's door, forced his way in, forced her into a bedroom and raped her. the suspect has not been found. a deputy shoots and kills a man near a grocery store. this happened in georgia yestersay. according to witnesses, the man was harassing store employees...and attacked the deputy before he was shot. the george bureau of investigation is looking into the incident. new this morning a very moving tribute -- for a veteran who passed away. the 80-year-old u-s marine corps veteran did not have any family to make funeral arrangements. so, the company handling the services in indiana posted his story on their facebook page and asked the public to help them give him a properal funeral. the response was overwhelming. more than 1- thousand people -- from fellow veterans to complete strangers -- showed up to pay their respects. the department of justice announces charges against two companies that make and sell dietary supplements. the companies are

. >> in response to those attacks terps fans will notice more security against indiana university.fans can expect to see more k-9s and uniformed officers, backpacks will not be allowed and fans have to go through security. >>> all new this morning, d.c. police working to piece together a crash involving a cop car, taxi and suv. two officers were in the cruiser and three people in the cab. they weren't badly hurt but you can see right there the cop car slammed into a business at h and 8th streets. this happened just after midnight in northeast. the taxi crashed against a pole and the suv was rear-ended. as soon as we get more information about this we are going to have it on our nbc washington app. >>> all of this heightened security comes after an extremist group overtook a hotel in the west african country of mali. 20 people killed in the capital city as terrorists held more than 100 people captive. a dozen americans were among those rescued at the radisson hotel. a former al qaeda commander is claiming responsibility. mali's government is in a state of emergency and has declared

theing right next to me is associate professor of history at indiana university, also interim director of the american historical review, the author of various work on the history of prison labor. was one of the first works to point to the link between the to these incarceration earlier historical antecedents. the director of the new york public library schomburg center for research in black culture. he's the author of "the condemnation of blackness." contributing author of the 2014 national research council study, the growth of incarceration in the united states. last but not least is heather and thompson, professor of history at the university of michigan. she's written widely on the issue of mass incarceration and has a book coming out. she sits on the board of the initiative and she recently served on the national academy of sciences blue-ribbon panel on the causes and consequences of incarceration in the united states. we have a great panel here this afternoon and what will happen is that each of them will speak and then 10 minutes, we will open this up for questions, answers, dis

that's when audrey smoot of indiana university brings her back down to earth.ey won the first heat just before heather, beating her time by slightly more than .1 second. but she didn't fall down. she's like, um, i actually won. i was, like, sorry. had to scoot on over to take second there. it was a funny thing that i was just on cloud nine and thought i won everything, and then it took someone to say, hey, move over. >> heather's second place overall finish in the 600 meters adds a crucial eight points to minnesota's team total. >> eight points was exactly the margin of our victory for the team that day. it was kind of a happy coincidence that if i hadn't got up and finished the race we would have lost or tied. >> heather graduates for the university of minnesota in december 2009, but coach wilson will never forget heather's golden moment. >> she's got the heart of a lion. we may never see that again ever in our lives, something of that nature. >>> coming up, speedboaters make a hard left and then exit stage right. >>> and there's nothing routine about this fil

i was speaking at a college in indiana, purdue university, and several high school students who write for their high school newspapers drove several hours to hear me speak. i talked about the state of civil liberties in the united states and the way these russians had taken place. they interviewed me after for their high school newspaper. one of the things they said, they said a lot more interesting things than i did because it really has an impact. one thing they put it out as they said, look, you keep talking about all these changes to the civil liberties landscape and the way in which we have freedoms in this country, but one of the things you keep talking about is you make it seem like there are these great changes, there was the world pre-9/11 and now post-9/11. they told me for people who are our age, 15, 16 years old, we were four years old at the time of 9/11. really, there is no pre-9/11 world we know. our political consciousness has been shaped almost exclusively by the post-9/11 world. as is all we know. what we consider extremist and radical and threatening is for them inc

this comes after last night's win agianst the university of indiana. the hawkeyes are now the second team in iowa's hitory to begin a seson with a nine and oh record. we'll explplin more about this ranking -- later in sports. it's that time of year -- where drivers need to be extra cautious of deer. a second accident is reported this weekend. this one happened last night near the intersection of east donald street and north elk-run road in black hawk county -- one of many across eastern iowa this fall. local drivers at a truck stop in evansdale say they've seen a lot of deer in eastern iowa. many of them dead on the side of the road. a reminder to stay focused -- and keep a close eye on both "just got to be looking way ahead, but at night; you know, i really don't have to drive, i wouldn't even be out here, right now. tell you the truth, i wouldn't even be out here." a lot of deer movement this time of year is due to harvest season - however, truckers say the deer problem will likely continue until december. a 9-year-old girl is in critical condition a

which is indiana university of pennsylvania. a lot of the republican debate a few days ago was based around the mainstream media being an extension of the democratic party. i just want to hear your thoughts on that and possibly whether or not you support or debunk that theory? christi: great question. i've been thinking about that a lot since that debate. does anybody want to start by taking a swing at that one? april: i want to say it. i think that's a safe thing -- a lot of people want to come up swinging at the media there are some people who put opinion with fact. but for many of us in the white house we definitely get all the sources, not one or two sources. i think we push the fact. it may be something you don't like but we put it out there. i'm going to say this. they can talk about the media all they want but they're the first ones looking at the media to find out what's going on in this country. it's a double-edged sword. we take it and let it roll off our backs. trust me, we are good people and we are good journalists.

that's the lead in indiana university. he second lead is "report signals need to move away from fossil fuels." so they get it at the university of indiana. here's the quote -- "climate change once thought to be a problem for future generations has moved firmly into the present." and that was an article of may 6, 2014, more than a year ago. and still we're on the floor fighting about vain and doomed to failure efforts to attack the only climate change plan that's out there. i invite my republican colleagues if you have a better plan that the climate plan that the president's put forward less hear it -- let's hear it. but i'm here to say mr. president, they got nothing. nothing, zero. so bring up that subject if you want highlight for the american people that this is a party in toe to coal and oil and koch brothers' interests highlight for the american people that you're running in direct opposition to what the american people believe to even what young republicans believe. i don't get it but have fun with it. the last thing

the hawkeyes hit the field to take on university of indiana -- hoping their winning streak gains momentum. there's a lot on the line for iowa -- currently ranked at number ten. iowa was able to pull it off last week and get the win-- 35 to 27. they are now nine and oh. coming up later in n he show -- mmrk woodley explains what's in store for

nbc's kerry sanders is live in west lafayette, indiana at purdue university where researchers have beenin when children head a soccer ba. what are they finding? >> reporter: they have been doing this study for seven years on what the trauma is in sports not only in soccer about you in football. i will step out of the way. you can see the guys playing here. we will talk to some of the resear researchers. you actually put sensors on. i put a sensor on so you can determine the impact on me when i head the ball. i got a 25g hit today. one of the more professional players got a 70g hit. what is that equal to? >> a 70g hit can be reasonably modeled if you dropped a brick on your head from a little over two feet above it. >> reporter: a really powerful hit. so you have children who are now being told not to do this heading and your concern is what? >> we are not only starting our kids at a younger age, when i was playing football in high school, you only had high school football and you played at that level. now we are starting kids very early and not only are we starting them earlier, we are

>>> police are looking into two establisheses at the university of -- two stabbings at the university of indiana pennsylvania. students were sent e-mail alerts to lock their doors. there was no word on a motive. >>> police in washington is investigating a shooting at union station. a man was threatening an off duty officer with a knife. the suspect was shot, a bystander was wounded in the leg, shows expected to be okay. >>> a man from wilmington, delaware who lost his life while trying to save a woman and her baby from an attacker. a park bench honors thomas cunningham. he inter veendz when he saw a man -- intervening when he saw a man with a knife chasing a woman and her baby. >>> officials in montgomery are looking into what sparked an explosion inside a home. the action cam was on the scene as firefighters assessed the damage in plymouth township last night. it happened inside a one story house an arch road at 9:30, nobody was hurt in the blast. >>> police are looking into what sparked a home that belonged to a firefighter. the fire started in the attic of the 3 story home. nobody was hurt. >

some are fraternity brothers from his days at ball state university in muncie, indiana. >> people considered their friend. they trusted him. it was not like calling smith barney and saying, "i want to buy a stock." >> these are informal deals. they're pretty much done in the clubhouse after a round of golf. >> narrator: williams says that an investment in shapiro's diversion deals is a "no-brainer." in some cases, he offers a personal guaranteeee in all, he brings in 60 investors and $307 million. in e-mails to shapiro, he refers to himself as the "bank of naples." and like a bank, williams charges fees. his friends don't know he's paid for everyone he brings in and eventually pockets $12 million in commissions. if williams brings lenders in, shapiro knows just how to keep them happy. and by 2004, the need to do just that is growing. that year, capitol investments begins operating at a loss. just why remains uncertain. shapiro's lawyer claims that, around this time, her client begins sinking money into a business deal that goes bad. shapiro tells "american greed," "i got robbed myself for $2

snowfall in indiana has caused problems for their college football as well. a marian university football game against campbellsville university 7as delayed while snow was cleared off the field in indianapoljs. with all this talk about winter weather -- lets check in with storm track seven meteorologist kyle kiel for your first forecast. from the kwwl stormtrack 7 weather team. see the screen informatii from the kwwl stormtrack 7 eather team: with the fresh snow on the ground, it is very cold. temperatures really haven't moved much today. hours highs were very early this morning, and we have stayed in the 20s all day single ddits. the wind d peed so our wind chills are much colder, feeling like the night, thanks to the fresh snow. storm track 7 live doppler radar with that strong storm system. weather network camera show the quiet conditions. we'll have some mmre snow tototls from acrrss eastern iowa in just a few minutes, and let you know about a warmup, and a peek at the thanksgiving forecast in a few minutes. waterloo -- getting hit with 11 inches of snow -- spends the weweken

indiana police say a shooting at a university was not a threat to the campus community. shots were fired there on sunday. police say the shooting involved - quote - "parties known to each other." no arrests have been made. the number of people killed in a terrorist attack on a hotel in mali has risen to twenty- two. a statement released by the u-n mission in mali over the weekend says six other people have serious injnjries. a witness saa the gunmen raided the hotel and shot at people at breakfast. security forces ended the siege hours later. the two attackers died. new york shut down a subway y station in lower manhattan over the weekend for an "active shooter" drill. the homeland security secretary said there are no specific or credible paris-like terror threatss against the u-s. but, there is a concern for copy- cat and lone wolf attacks -- which is why they went through this drill. thanksgiving is just around te corner.... and right now you're probably thinkng about what you're going to be making for thursday... you may be spending a little more on those classic than

for more we are joined by john pistole, president of anderson university in indiana good morning.u with us. >> good morning. >> does the caution from the state department warning translate into caution even traveling domestically, do you think? >> it could, but it's much more focused internationally. there's a sensitivity and alertness in the united states that we haven't seen for a while because of the activities around the world. >> if you knew someone planning a european vacation in the next 60 days, would you advise them to go, not to go? >> you have to be smart about what your plans are, where you're going. yes, i would encourage people to be vigilant in what they do, but go ahead with their plans. that's one thing that terrorists hope to do is get people to change plans, have an economic impact on the global economy. so, you know, if you look back to several years ago when they had a plot to put bombs on cargo planes coming to the u.s., they were able to get those bombs on planes from yemen, and even though the bombs didn't go off, they claimed victory because of the economi

university of minnesota gophers today. last week, the undefeated hawkeyes took down indiana to get their 9th win. this ternoon the team could break one important record. the football team has a chance to go 10-and-0 for the first time in school history. but the football team isn't the only group of athletes in thh spotlight t tis weekend. iowa city as wrestling's "olympic hometown." feature the city in digital videos to promote next summer's olympic games. a production crew is in town interviewing olympic hopefuls and talking to some of the all-time greats like dan gable and tom brands. hours before today's football game, the committee will feature a wrestling match called "grapple on the gridiron" in kinnick stadium. iowa's number 4 wrestling team will take on oklahoma state. some u-i veterans are taking a special message to kinnick stadium for the game. they're raising awareness for vets who commit suicide. the university of iowa veterans associaion has been carryqng the hawkeyes' game ball from town-tt-town. today, they'll go from the university pentracrest to kinnick. each veteran carries a 2

indiana.. where police are in the search for her killer.. leadership changes... who's taking over as head of the university of missouri.. for now.. amid racial tension on campus. 50 years later.. an iowa vietnam veterans shares his story of combat.. what haunts him.. nearly five decades after his plane was shot down.. from who h-d iowa's high definition leader..this is the channel 13 news at nine on fox 17 homicide detectives in indianapolis are working around the clock on the investigation into the murder of a pregnant woman, shot and killed during a home invasion... no suspect has been named... but as jake miller reports, an autopsy along with other crimes in the area could help out the case. the body of amanda blackburn herself could hold answers in finding a suspect in the case that has captured the attention of the city. sgt. kendale adams, impd 'our detectives attend every autopsy, so a part of that process is to help them develop information.' information like the caliber of bullet used, the exact time of death and even evidence that could lead them closer to finding out who killed amanda blackburn... the wife of a local p

when the university, specifically coach ferentz, rolls the red carpet out for you, one you say yes and two you embrace it. it's just a beautiful thing." very cool. the 8-0 hawkeyes visit indiana next saturday. down in lincoln, nebraska is 3-6 for the first time since 1961. the huskers fell to purdue 55-45, giving the program six losses before the end of october for the first time in school history. with three games remaining, nebraska has to win out to make a bowl game, putting the team in a tough spot. "it was really a game about giving them too many opportunities. they did a nice job, i thought their quarterback made some plays i thought early on lettimg him run for that big play was hard and then we gave them the ball turnovers in the red zone. with real good opportunities to score. we made it easier for them." "obviously, we have a lot of problems to fix. we are focused on progress right now trying to fix our issues, our message is usually that our guys are doing well and working hard." nebraska hosts sixth-ranked michigan state night at 6pm....the game can be seen on e-s-p-n. over in ames, iowa state snapped its streak with a 24-0 jordan harris has been named the walter

this delaware of university student coming back from thanksgiving in i understandian in a. >> a -- indianaeporter: flying back you must have been on an early flight. >> like 4:00 a.m., i had a 7:00 a.m. flight. so. >> and everything was smooth. >> reporter: yes. >> how was security? >> reporter: it was good, early in the morning, everything is quiet. >> how was security? >> slow, they kept indicating that you need to be on flights 20 minutes ahead of time at the gate. >> so there was a precautionary issue. >> reporter: they were much slower and more careful in the las vegas airport. >> reporter: which brings us to what the tsa and the airline said last week, if you're departing from philadelphia, allow yourself two hours if you're flying today given the number of people that will be here things just slow down. they are talking about load factors on the airlines between 90 and 95%. it will be a crowded aircraft and airport if you arrive later this morning and early this afternoon. live at philadelphia international, john rawlins channel 6 "action news." >> and penndot has a new tool for tra

when the university, specifically coach ferentz, rolls the red carpet out for you, one you say yes and two you embrace it. it's just a beautiful thing." very cool. the 8-0 hawkeyes visit indiana next saturday. down in lincoln, nebraska is 3-6 for the first time since 1961. the huhuers fell to purdue 55-45, giving the program six losses before the end of october for the first time in school history. with three games remaining, nebraska has to win out to make a bowl game, putting the team in a tough spot. "it was really a game about giving them too many opportunities. they did a nice job, i thought their quarterback made some plays i thought early on lettimg him run for that big play was hard and then we gave them the ball turnovers in the red zone. with real good opportunities to ore. we made it easier for the" "obviously, we have a lot of problems to fix. we are focused on progress right now trying to fix our issues, our message is usually that our guys are doing well and working hard." nebraska hosts sixth-ranked michigan state next saturday night at 6pm....the game can be seen on e-s-p-n. over in ames, iowa state e apped its three-game losing streak with a 24-0 shutout of t

about, and when the university, specifically coach ferentz, rolls the red carpet out for you, one you say yes and two you embrace it. it's just a beautiful thing." hawkeyes visit indiana next saturday. down in lincoln, nebraska is 3-6 for the first time since 1961. the huskers fell to purdue 55-45, giving the program six losses before the end of october for the first time in school hisisry. with three games remaining, nebraraa has to win out to make a bowl game, putting the team in a tough spot. it was really a game about giving them too many opportunities. they did a nice job, i thought their quarterback made some plays i thought early on lettimg him run for that big play was hard and then we gave them the ball turnovers in the red zone. with real good opportunities to score. we made it easier for them." obviously, we have a lot of problems to fix.x.e are focused on progress right now trying to fix our issues, our message is usually that our guys are doing well and working hard." nebraska hosts sixth-ranked michigan state next saturday night at 6pm....the game can be seen on e-s-p-n. thats it for sports. have a great rest of your morning. jessica rae: scott: it's tim

indiana in congress. indianafessor at university, he founded the center on congress and has served as its director for 16e japanese-american attorney minoru yasui was honored today. was a second lieutenant in the army reserves and tried to return to active duty in world war ii. recruiters refused to let him an list. he eventually decided to challenge the racially restrictive curfews enacted for japanese-americans, taking his case to the supreme court. more from president obama later tonight. he met with french president francois hollande today. we will have their joint news conference at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. networkompanion c-span-2, the journalist maziar filmi inspired the 2014 "rose water." here is a preview. maziar: when i was in prison and i was being interrogated, it became my muse. i had an article called "10 days in an iranian jail." was sayinghe something stupid or making a presumption about my life or life in the west, i was thinking, that will end up in the story. -- andust trying to basically, he did not have any other human contact besides me. he spent all of his time in the inte

when the university, specifically coach ferentz, rolls the red carpet out for you, one you say yes and two you embrace it. it's just a beautiful thing." very cool. the 8-0 hawkeyes visit indiana next saturday. down in lincoln, nebraska is 3-6 for the first time since 1961. the huskers fell to purdue 55-45, giving the program six losses before the end of october for the first time in school history. with three games remaining, nebraska has to win out to make a bowl game, putting the team in a tough spot. it was really a game about giving them too many opportunities. they did a nice job, i thought their quarterback made some plays i thought early on lettimg him run for that big play was hard and then we gave them the ball turnovers in the red zone. with real good opportunities to score. we made it easier for them." obviously, we have a lot of problems to fix. we are focused on progress right now trying to fix our issues, our message is usually that our guys are doing well and working hard." nebraska hosts sixth-ranked michigan state next saturday night at 6pm....the game can be seen on e-s-p-n. thats it for sports. have a great rest of your morning. jessica rae scott: it's time

indiana now on the democratic line. good morning, ron. morning.ood my concern, and i wanted to address this to your gas, what happened at the university ofri, do you believe was somewhat of a wake-up call to other universities? not all but maybe others? resigneddent that admitted he was part of the problem and not part of the solution. thinking what happened at the university of missouri may be a wake-up call for other colleges and universities. host: thanks for calling as we take a look at some of the protest in missouri. one of the things we see in missouri as the president of the system and the campuses self has been in battle for quite some time and they have been under criticism not just from students but from faculty and some of the administration for quite a while. it is fascinating that the moment at which these resignations happened came so of firstn the heels the student's to enter into a hunger strike, and in the football team's decision to essentially go on a strike and refuse to practice or participate in games until the demands of a hunger strike were met and the strike was over. these resignations came very soon after. we