that was across three different provinces in indonesia. those guys were xenophobic, traditional, orthodox, socratic. they had a strong overtone to their theology. they believed in charms. they were very much like traditional northern western islam in their belief system. a large number of the people that were working with me in the 1990s joined g.i., the al-qaeda ally in 2001. those guys had an arab-centric world view. they had a completely different theology to the j.i. guys and d.i. was focused not only in indonesia. they had a global focus. why would people join two such theologically different movements in some cases the same individuals in many cases members of the same family? why would they do that. theology can't be the explanation for that. you know, the same group joins two different organizations. it doesn't explain it. also, the theological basis for al-qaeda has been present in islam for about 1,000 years. so why isn't it always been like this, okay? again, theology can't explain the al-qaeda phenomenon. it has to be something

in turkey, bangladesh, indonesia, we have seen them elected woman to lead. the struggle for women'd quality continues for many aspects of american life and in countries around the world. i am convinced that our daughters can contribute just as much to society as our sons. [applause] our common prosperity will be advanced by allowing all humanity, men and women, to reach their full potential. i do not believe that women must make the same choices as men in order to be equal. i respect those women who choose to live their lives in traditional roles. it should be their choice. that is what the united states will partner with any muslim majority country toemployment ta financing that helps people live their dreams. [applause] i want to discuss economic development and opportunity. i know that for many the face of globalization is contradictory. the internet and television can bring knowledge and information, but also a sense of sexuality and mindless violence into the home. trade can bring new wealth and opportunities, but also huge disruptions and a change in c

this same story can be told by people from south to south asia, from eastern europe to indonesia. it is a story with a simple truth, violence is a dead end. it is a sign neither of courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children or to blow up old women on a bus. that is not held moral authority is claimed. that is how it is surrendered. now is the time for palestinians to focus on what they can build. the palestinian authority must develop its authority to govern with institutions that serve the needs of its people. amas does have support among some palestinians. they have to recognize their responsibilities to play a role in of killing palestinian aspirations, to unify the palestinian people -- their responsibilities to play a role of fulfilling palestinian aspirations, to unify the palestinian people. israel must recognize that there justice cannot be denied nor can palestine's. the united states does not except accept the legitimacy of israeli settlements. [applause] previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. it is time for these settlements to stop. [

indonesia, pakistan, bangladesh, india, and turkey. david makovsky? guest: in the arab world, they tend to see threatening -- they tend to see america as threatening because they are secular. europeans tend to see america as religious. there are different attitudes. like i said, i think the president was right to extend a hand. i think if you do not try to extend a hand, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and you will have a much more polarized environment. i think given his life story, he is the perfect person to articulate american values and interests, and i think it went a long way toward doing that yesterday. host: "thanks to the path that president obama has set out on there will be a nuclear exchange, the only question will be how big."

saturday she was providing 50,000 pounds of food and water a day into the tsunami-affected area in indonesia. that event also led us to adjust our strategy, i think, in a very significant way. as i said, we have been responding to disasters throughout our history, but we said, well, let's see what we can do proactively, and we began a series of humanitarian missions that, to date, in the four years in which we have been conducting them have touched 409,000 patients from our ships. that's in south america, the pacific and in africa. and if you consider the 409,000 patients, that's like going to the verizon center, packing the house and then having doctors treat each one of the people in the ve -- verizon center 20 times. that is not an insignificant contribution that our people are making. but it's not just our aircraft carriers. it's our cruisers and destroyers who are out and about, the workhorses of our fleet, and they're flexing from the high end of warfare to the low end of warfare. they're in the gulf of aden patrolling an area that's four times the size of texas against pirates, and th

what these people don't understand is, if we don't do offshore drilling, indonesia will. and if you think we are sloppy about oil spills and what happens to the informant, you can't believe how sloppy indonesia is. the disaster in indonesia is the 1,000 times worse than it would ever be here and will have been far more frequently. to get one of these animals covered with oil, they will light a match and flipped it on them and watch out that they can run. what they don't understand is the world's dynamic. they will increase its to do this stuff. you have got to understand basic economics in this stuff. when i look at this stuff as well, and i see the nuclear issue there. and i will stop with this one but i was on the board for years and years and years, which is that general days ago. i used to go to france. is the only american on the board that had some of the most fun political discussions you can imagine. i love them dearly by the way. revi boarding, which is six the year, until my wife told me she no longer wanted to go to paris. alaikum i noticed paris works pretty w

as a boy and spent several years in indonesia. i heard the call of a one group of people at the break of dawn and at the fall of dust. i work in chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in the muslim faith. as a student of history, i know civilizations' debt to as long. it was as long and places -- it was is lolam that led to innovation. [applause] it was an addition in moslem communities that developed the order of outer. a magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of pens and printing, our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. the islamic culture has given us timeless poetry interest music, elegant calligraphy, and places a peaceful contemplation. throughout history islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. [applause] islam has also been a part of america's story. the first country to recognize our story is morocco. they signed a treaty in 1796. our second president john adams wrote the united states has in itsel

this is from eastern europe to indonesia. it is a story with a simple truth. violence is a dead end. it is a sign neither courage or of power. -- or a power to throw rocks at the sleeping children. that is not how moral authority is claimed. that is how it is surrendered. now is the time for palestinians to focus on what they can build. palestinian authorities must develop its government with institutions to serve the needs of its people. hamas does have support among some palestinians, but they also have to recognize their responsibilities, to play a role and a filling palestinian aspirations, and to unify the palestinian people. hamas has put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, recognized israel's right to exist. at the same time, israelis must acknowledge that just as their right cannot be denied, neither can palestine's. the united states is non -- does not accept the legitimacy of israeli settlements. [applause]

of hundred terrorists in indonesia so i think it's not a good term. another term you sometimes hear means terrorist and arabic. again. that describes the violence but it doesn't describe the ideologies. so when i talk about the etiology of al qaeda i and other people that have worked in the field tend to call them [inaudible] so i would describe al qaeda as terrorists. not all of these are terrorists but al qaeda are certainly both h.r., where are you? i'm going to refer to you if i neglect to mention something. but let me tell you about iraq. we would go into areas of downtown baghdad and find bodies with the first two fingers of the hand cut off and there would be guys found smoking by al qaeda and killed and had their fingers cut off message to everybody not to smoke. we would find women with acid thrown in their faces for wearing their failed to four back. children baked alive in a couple of cases and al anbar bayh al qaeda trying to impose barbaric control measures on the tribes. people beheaded. you can go on and on. we talked to many young men

if you were national security adviser, would you be calling of india or turkey or indonesia and saying, can you help us out here? and how can we persuade the iranians this is the right thing to do? >> without being national security adviser, i have actually done a little bit of that in the contact i currently have, but there are countries that can have a constructive influence on the iranians. if they are amenable to doing so, we should encourage them. i would add china to that list. i think the ones you have mentioned, 30 is involved, no doubt about that. -- 30 turkey is involved, no doubt about that. i don't know how much india is involved? do you know? does anybody know about india being involved? all right. anyway, i agree with you. >> we cannot let you get out of here without commenting on the peace process. >> which one? >> the other one. if you could comment on the link to the extent that it exists between engagement with iran and arab-israeli diplomacy? >> i think the debate of which comes first is futile. each affects the other. if there is no progress on the israel-palestinia

essay boy i spent several years in indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and that the fall of tusk. as a young man, i worked in chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in the muslim faith. as a student of history, i also know civilizations debt to al-islam. it was islam that places like al-azhar that carried the light of learning druze so many centuries, paving the way for europe's rhenus sans and enlightenment. it was innovation and muslim communities. [applause] it was innovation and muslim communities that developed the order of algebra, are magnetic compass and tools of navigation, our mastery of penson printing, our understanding of how the disease spreads and how it can be healed. islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires, timeless poetry and cherished music, elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. and throughout history, islam has demonstrated through words and deeds of the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality. [applause] i also know that islam has always been a part of america's

reality of the situation is that the vast majority of people in the muslim world from morocco to indonesia, where president barack obama spent part of his childhood, their overriding concern is that it just want to lead a decent, normal life, just like people in the united states or europe or anywhere else. there is that fringe that is basically directly tied to these entrenched political problems that we keep talking about, whether they are home grown like the issue of lack of human rights and democratic practice, or they are connected to outside forces. take the invasion of iraq in 2003 as an example or afghanistan, which basically produced 9/11. we know that afghanistan, and during the soviet occupation, the americans played a very important role in working with the afghans to actually defeat the soviet occupation. once the soviet occupation was defeated, the americans cut loose and left. host: good morning. welcome to the program. caller: good morning. i was glad to see president obama speak, but i'm concerned that the message did not heard back here in the united states. one of the ea

then you travel to indonesia, and if there is ever an faa inspector that shows up, by the way, the united states pay for that. -- pays for that. not the airlines. the taxpayers are underwriting the outsourcing. they're not even doing drug and alcohol tests. as we have talked about before, their locations that have been on the state department's watch list where there have been repair stations that have been utilized. if you could get back to us, i think it will be helpful as we move forward tried to get these important reforms done in the area of maintenance repair. >> we will attempt to get all of that information. i am well familiar with the issue of the inspections and repair stations. we have written about one of the carriers that fly is an empty airbus for repair after having a repaired in el salvador. my guess is, it is probably another issue of dollars and cents. let me go back to icing. this co but said, i have never seen icing conditions, i have never deiced. i have never experienced any of that. i did not want to have to experience that and make those kind of calls. the actual t

called noam because it was noam chomsky since 1975 and to lay on his birthday on december 7th when indonesia invaded east timor when never let the story die. and so many of his books, so much of his writings, so many of his speeches often introducing to people of this point on a map summon a thousand miles from las and he let people know what was happening in your name appear again it was noam who told us about what was happening in timor and let us to tape those trips to try to expose what was happening. and i bet almost everyone here tonight in the sanctuary has a story about discovering his writings or his voice or his words and now it has changed your life. now what i am most affected by as i travel the country of the young soldiers who come up to me in when i asked them what made the difference, why they turned and how they could be so brave and courageous and resisting war so often in these young men and women will say someone handed me a book of noam chomsky. [applause] there's something wonderful said it about noam in the book, were taught, she spoke. may of 2003. she has a chapter,

reality of the situation is that the vast majority of people in the muslim world from morocco to indonesia, where president barack obama spent part of his childhood, their overriding concern is that it just want to lead a decent, normal life, just like people in the united states or europe or anywhere else. there is that

you see it in pakistan and india and china and indonesia and thailand, north africa, many places around world, where there is insurgent activity, trying to delegitimize legitimate government and do it through violence. that is why violent extremism is taught -- what i am on instead of the war on terror. >> why is it a more strategic location hasn't been advanced? >> there has been a lot of effort in my last year in office, we were dealing with iraq, afghanistan, that is the reason we had people dying, being badly injured in iraq and afghanistan and that tends to be where your focus is, but you have to take time, take the 30,000 foot view and say are we dealing with violent extreme in the way we should or are we over using the military power and not using the diplomatic corps economic or informational instrument of power in ways to facilitate success? >> host: was part of the reason the structure of the agency's task? >> guest: yes, and i go into that. i served in the clinton administration as assistant chairman and vice-chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. this is not administration p

if you national security adviser what you recall when india or turkey or indonesia and saying can you help us out here and how can we persuade the iranians that this is the right thing to do blacks get without being a national security adviser i have done a little bit of that through less important contact than i currently have, but absolutely, yes. i think if there are countries that can have constructive influence on the iranians and if they are willing to do so we should encourage them. i would add china to that list. i think once you have mentioned turkey certainly is involved, there is no doubt about its. i don't know how much influence indians have, maybe there are people here who know more about that particular relationship. i just don't know. do you know? does anybody know? well, anyway, i agree with you. nadia? >> okay, well, we can't get you out of here without commenting on the peace process, so i was wondering -- >> which one? [laughter] >> rice, the other one. wondering if you could comment on the linkage that exists between engagement with iran and the arab-israeli diplo

more and more and more, the credit standards got less and less, and we've had problems, not just in indonesia and korea and thailand. we had bailouts in brazil, argentina, russia. and now we've had -- you might call it the mother of all bailouts here in the united states. >> next up, host: st. louis, missouri, dan, thanks for waiting. caller: sure. no problem. hi. i was wondering if you think -- they are considering more sustainible economic decisions where as sustainibility means decreasing the disparity between the hierarchy of people in different -- society -- the u.s. is going to make more sustainible decisions with more socialistic economic policies or more free trade capitalist policies if the goal is to decrease the hierarchies in our society? >> joseph stiglitz? guest: one of my concerns in the past is we have not focused adequately on sustainibility ethey are in in the sense of environmental sustainibility or social sustainibility. we haven't looked at these broader issues. one of the problems is that some of the things that are scaresest in our society we treat as good. air, having

officials from scotland, indonesia, and thailand, and from the missions in geneva expect in announcement of a global swine flu pandemic to be imminent. the world health organization meeting in an emergency session today is likely to declare the first flu pandemic in 41 years. it would push drugmakers to fast-track production of a vaccine. finally, from the new york daily news the head of the white house military office forced out over the photo over the statue of liberty has become a senior fellow at the center for american progress. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. "washington journal" continues. host: our democratic senator, senator mary lenders from louisiana joins us. -- mary landrieu. guest: we have been busy looking for pat ford for renewable energy for america. it has been a tough debate, not necessarily republican against democrat, but region versus region. host: you recently passed a bill on drilling. guest: we actually voted on closing a title on gas drilling. there's a major energy bill with several titles. the main is renewable electricity standard. we

there are -- indonesia, pakistan, bangladesh, india and turkey. guest: the point the caller makes is interesting about in the arab world they have a tendency to see america as threatening because it is very secular. europeans tend to think we are very religious, but they see america as being disruptive partly because of its secularism. and there are different attitudes. but i think the president was right to extend a hand. if you do not try to extend a hand it becomes a self- fulfilling prophecy. you have a much more polarized environment. given his life story, he

in indonesia. that event also led us to adjust our strategy i think in a very significant way. as i said, we have been responding to disasters during our history we said, let's see what we can do proactively. we began a series of humanitarian missions that, to date in four of which we have been conducting them, have touched 409,000 patients from our ships. that is in south america and the pacific and africa. if you consider the 409,000 patients, that is like going to the verizon center, packing the house, and then having doctors treat each one of the people in the verizon center 20 times. that is not an insignificant contribution that our people are making. it is not just the aircraft carriers. it is the cruisers and destroyers that are out and about. the forces of our fleet as i like to call them. and they are flexing from the high end of warfare to the low end. they are in the gulf of aden controlling an area that is four times the size of texas against pirates and they are destroyers like the u.s.'s bainbridge which took a sizable detachment of seals aboard, complete with al

indonesia, pakistan, bangladesh, india, and turkey. david makovsky? guest: in the arab world, they tend to see threatening -- they tend to see america as threatening because they are secular. europeans tend to see america as religious. there are different attitudes. like i said, i think the president was right to extend a hand. i think if you do not try to extend a hand, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and you will have a much more polarized environment. i think given his life story, he is the perfect person to articulate american values and interests, and i think it went a long way toward doing that yesterday. host: "thanks to the path that president obama has set out on there will be a nuclear exchange, the only question will be how big." guest: i agree with the caller correctly about iran, which i write about in the book. we have three chapters on iran in the book. mike co-authored dennis ross -- my co-author, dennis ross, is now working for secretary of state hillary clinton. people might want to read that book for some clues. but i think ev

david is a former australian army officer who sees combat in indonesia as an infantryman and many other places and other roles. i met dave eckert pentagon where he was the regular warfare adviser to the 2005 quadrennial review. since then he served successively as chief counterterrorism adviser at the state department as counterinsurgency adviser to general david petraeus during the surge of troops to iraq and special adviser for counter insurgency to secretary state condoleezza rice. having seen the influence he exerted on american counter insurgency and counterterrorism, policy and practice the past four years i can confidently state no foreign citizen has done more for the united states and a time of war since colonel thaddeus helped army liberated shores some 200 years ago. the two davids will discuss for about 30 minutes before turning to questions from you, the audience, about another 30 minutes and once the australian is thirsty we will adjourn to the foyer. having known him a while. [laughter] when he is really thirsty dave is going to sign books in the back and the rest of us w

inspectors that hang out there that are really looking over the shoulder and then you travel to indonesiaand if there is ever faa inspectors that show up, by the way the u.s. pays for that, the taxpayers pay the cost of the faa inspectors to go look at foreign repair stations, not the airlines, so the taxpayers are underwriting this outsourcing. they are even doing drug and alcohol tests and as we talked about in this hearing before there are actually locations that have been on the state department's watch list for terrorist activity or there have been repair stations utilized. so if you would get back to us with what ever information your association have on this information will be helpful as we move toward getting the support reforms done in the area of maintenance and repair. thank you mr. chairman. >> senator mccaskill, thank you. we will attempt to get more information. i'm well familiar with the issue of the inspections and repair stations. we have, in fact, have been about one of the carriers that fly is an empty airbus to el salvador to prepare and then flies in md 320 back to t

. >> the growth is in china, number one, india, number 2, brazil and russia, also, indonesia, really, throughout asia. largely throughout asia, and in americasings we have over 1 car per person and we're going to be replacing our cars and that is a big question, what are we going to replace our cars with, with the 20 mile per gallon suv that we already own or something really novel? >> is this american dream and the american car dream gone in your view. >> i think that the dinosaur vehicles that we drive should be gone. i think mobility is not gone, we're going to want to be as mobile as ever. but, we will have to think of far more creative ways to be mobile, in cars that get 80 or 100 miles per gallon and using our blackberries to hook us up with automatic car share services, and using peratransit to pick us up where we have to go and started telecommuting and not always traveling and when i wrote the book with dan spurling, i think the -- we got together in five years of the writing it three times and had a virtual experience writing the book so there wasn't a lot of miles or oil or

relationship with us, would you if you were national security advisor be calling up india or turkey or indonesia and saying, can you help us out here and how can we persuade the iranians this is the right thing to do. >> without being a national security advisor, actually i have done a little bit of that, through of course, much more limited and less important contacts. that i currently have, but, absolutely, yes. i think if there are countries that can have a constructive influence on the iranians and if they are amenable to doing so, we should encourage them. you know, i would add china to the list. i think once you have mentioned -- the ones you have mentioned, turkey certainly is involved, no doubt about it. i don't know how much influence the indians have in iran, maybe there are people who know more about that particular slayings ship, i just don't know. do you know? but, does anybody know? india? all right, well, anyway, i agree with you. >> okay. we can't lets you get out of here without commenting on the peace process, so i was wondering, put -- >> which one? >> right. the other one. wh

them and seeing every situation not just as it looked to this country but also as it looked from indonesia and hawaii and every point and was telling that all of us lose if we see the personal the other side of the street as an enemy and i think we are speaking word for word the kind of things that done the or the dalai lama were talking about. as i said i am eager to get to the dialogue with eric so i will wind this up by saying i think for most this in this room when we hear or think about the dalai lama we probably see that beaming face looking down at us from a billboard or the person often on larry king live or the person on our neighbors computer as a screen saver riding he is used more as a screen saver than any living being and always is great and it's easy to forget of course 90% of his life and his mission are really concerned with his people in tibet and in exile mostly in india so i spent three recent springs living just across the road from him going to see him a lot and also going to talk to the increasingly impatient tibetans whose voices we've heard more and more of infil l

that being indonesia. now, as we look at the changes that have taken place over the past 11 years in indonesia it is absolutely remarkable and extraordinarily impressive. the 32-year reign of harto came to an end in 1998, and since that time we have seen democracy take hold and build. we all know that democracy is a work in progress. we as americans know that our democracy continues to be a work in progress. and indonesia's is as well. the challenge of ensuring that the military comes under civilian rule is one with which they're still grappling. and if you think about this country, 17,000 -- 17,000 different islands and hundreds of languages and ethnicities and yet they have been able to cobble together what one called the convergences of muslim and democracy. so, mr. speaker, we are continuing to this day work on that relationship through our house democracy assistance commission where we're working to build the parliament which again a little more than a decade ago was a sham organization and today it i