to be interviewed on programs like this on russian television i mean when i was there saying is it indra drives demagoguery ok in a can you look at a lot of these people they are just simple demagogues going in the canada i grew up in you find demagogues in the local pub or tavern you know sitting on a bar stool holding for they're not dangerous are they well know because you know there isn't a they but they they have their place you know you don't find them in the street was surrounded by thousands of people. there russia has to develop and there's just no two ways about it the political system has to open up and let different political tendencies compete fairly for power and then you'll see a sorting out the only one who is really trying to jump in here i am allowed to jump in here talking about all those off and especially about now like me i walked with american press here and with other western publications i can tell you that ten years ago or even five years ago a person with a view will say like the views of not saying that we should shut off the border with central asia russians