infact, earlier this week a whole group of them gathered outside the white house. they don't even believe timothy geithner's assertion that we will difficult so they they they are being lied to so they are dealing with a lot of pressure from freshman republicanes who are quite strong in numbers. >> joe madison, joe, would you give us your assessment? >> well, she's absolutely right in talking to charlie rang el today, we talked about the democrats having the same problem with the bull weave els and. it is a matter of arithmetic, leadership. because of that, boehner is showing very poor leadership. look, pat's a good friend. six months won't fly because he knows august is out. because you're vacationing. thanksgiving holiday, christmas, you'll be lucky to get any time-out of those six months. there are more unemployed people bb underemployed people, people watching their neighbor's homes be forclose end their are wealthy people and argument still flies. if they are job creators they don't want to sacrifice be a increase in taxes, hey, where are the jobs? >> the pres