in terms of people dying of infectionses at the hospital are avoidable. rather than insurance to getting the light like we did with electronic records, every business in the world has electronic records, your local dry cleaner for 30 years, the reason for third-party payer you didn't get any health care and now they did it soviet style, one size fits all and has been a disaster. all the propose we should make how do we empower to be able to make more decisions and providers will quickly add here to it and if they don't, people won't go there, they don't have to go there, they don't have to be directed there, and that is truly the way to go instead of a top down, okay, let's have outcome oriented. markets will do outcome oriented because health care is so personal. i mentioned about breast cancer. there's a chain in pennsylvania, several years they put in equivalent of a warranty, legally they can't call it that. under the normal systems we have today we go back to paying even though it was not done right the first time. .. one time cato institute employee

know that some antibiotics are used against viruses either because of misdiagnosis or secondary infectionses et cetera. probiotics in yogurts that can be used. so there are a lot of products out there that are promising but more research needs to be done to make sure that they work effectively and have a good understanding of how they can actually be implemented as part of animal health plan, health of the animal and how can we get them healthy as well as their life. >> secretary allude today this, density and reducing the density of animals. how much efforts to give animals a little bit more room ultimately reduce also presumably which are addressing animal welfare concerns help reduce the need for medically important antibiotics? do we have a good sense of that? obviously there are lots of laws being passed in the state level to change how hens are raised. are those laws likely to impact how much we use antibiotics? do we know? >> i'm not sure we know but it's important to view animal health as a holistic concept. there are a lot of components that can impact how well animals are doing. th