and we were like, okay, we have to get to 1 infinite loop, oh, it is already in the phone.phone. i think we talked for -- i think the formal part of the meeting maybe 15 minutes. where it was pretty clear they were interested in buying the company, but we were having fun building it and weren't interested in selling. emily: he said i want to buy you? drew: he -- in so many words. sure, yeah. we didn't talk about a number. it is important for me -- i did not want to get too far down that path. and we spent the rest of the time just talking about -- i had a lot of questions about, you know, why he came back to apple, and why cupertino. and, you know, he had different advice for us. he spent a lot more time than he needed to with us. because, you know, we were pretty clear that we weren't going to sell the company, but he was also taunting us a little bit. he was like look, we are going to have to come after you. emily: they did. they unveiled the icloud. [laughter] emily: how do you think that has worked out for them? drew: i think different products solve different problems.