hearing the compa may have but a special fiber optic cable directlyto the overnment so can access that infortion. tracy, everyone's focusing on the nsa. what about private companies? >> yeah. you know why? it's all about transparency. i get theeed to gather intelligence and keep this country safe. but we should know what's happening. to do this behind our back is so untrustworthy. i have verizon and i'm really pisd off about it. >> i have veriz also. senator rand paul is looking at a lawsuit, suing thegoernment and/or verizon for turning over its records. >> tracy, do you have a theory about area 51, too? maybe you wan to opine on the second gunmantheory? come on. you're not alex jones crazy just ye but these conspiracy theories -- you're getting close, by the way. the conspiracy theoriesabout business selling out private indivuals -- >> you know what? do not first call me names on a saturday morning. i'm so beyond that right now. and jonathan, you so-called libertarian -- you so-called libertian, just think it's fine these companies do this without you knowing things? >> no. they're not doingit

asking for infortion or mitt a data like the oneeron rertedly received. did, we would fight it aggressively. we had not even heard of prison before yesterday. when governments asked febook for data, zuckerberg says, we review each request carefully to make sure they alwaysollow the correct processes and all applicable ls. they only provide the information conveyed is ruired by law. we will continue fighting aggressively to keep your information six unsecured. we strongly encourage all governments to be much more transparent about of programs aimed keepinghe public safe. it is the only way to protect everyone's cil liberties and create this sa and free soety we all want ov the long term. this frothe ceo of facebook which gets accused of violating privacy and this guy is coming out against the government in favor of privacy. kind of interesti. we're joined by jared guy ran off and before we start to the first item to my want to hear what you think about katie weighing in on this directly. >> he has that taken the side of the government. dennis: agnst the go

suppose infortion could be le could go and say, you're, and running, but let me ll you something. lou: of the fact that youut that io some sort of future hypothetical rather than worryi about the last. at the same time, again, there seems to be a sense of irony that our congress is not held in very high regard, to be kind, that we hav lossight ofhe asults on this country right now. cyber attacks from china. administration get out tught, how smart it, and made to look like fools byhe chinese president and his regime in china,ust utterly obliterating that 2-day summit which was supposed to have as one of its prary agenda items cna cyber attacks. >> my concern is also ch for the people who work in the intelligence community, manyf whom work very hard. there were anonymously. it'llake a lot of money and will never get rich at what they do. they love their country, and they're following the orders in the pololiciis th somebody else's set. i don't want to excoriate them. me to be very respectful of people on the intelligence community, but we do need to demand of our policymakers, what

he gave us infortion about what the government is doing in our name with our money.ut if is effective. we have never seen a case that's effective or cost effective. >> why aren't people challenging the business models in the aggrate a highly concentrated and powerful group ofompanies that could as easy be called like facebook,icrosoft and -- did i mention cebook? let me dit again. these are disturbing inconsistencieies and contradictions when we starto look at those. we start t lay bare something else everybody should be aware ofnd that is the politi of those who are most excised about, say, the nsa and those beginning to get pretty exercised about corporates who are really driving the virtual world inhich we find great experience and value. >> there are two reasons. one i mentioned is ttat the harms are less great. being shown a wrong ad because you're misclassifi is different than being investigated because you're lassified. >> whoa, wait a minute. it's almost ubiquitous privacy isis being invaded by the corporates. there is a very narrow, small nuer w are being in

edward snowden release of this information thrgh the guardian national security agency infortion indicatesesterrorists are behaving differently. they might well have suspected that some of this was going on, but they learned aouple of things. not only wt s going on, but they also learned the legal limits of th program hang sred that is very dangerous and allows the enemy at insight and things reviewing. coquette's the really bad guys, the troristwho still want to kill us. john: are ra time when you a in full agreement with our commander-in-chief. >> you cannohave 100 percent security and als then have 100 rcent privacy and its zero inconvenience john: you aee, iake it? >> well, i sort of agree with the president commanded would be a ra time when i agreed with this president. i don't view this issue as partisan in any fundamental way. john: it is not clear how crucial financial security data mining is. the senator points so we already have so much stated that the fbi misses. >>e can't seem to keep up with the people we have been told about. the underwear bomber. his d turned demand. we cannot

highlights the fact that maybe there is a fine line between who iss by in the sense that there disclosing infortionhurt america that they had sworn to uphold the verses was a whistle-blower dclosing inrmation becse they believe %-the law.ernment is breaking senator dianne feinste has said that the detls -- she is going to release details xt week it will show that this program hasdentified two different plotsndtocks those in their tracks trying to sho that this is a meaningful progm. does that bear on his case? does it matter? if we dece this is bn effective or is this case really about his actns and his promise to keep this information secret? >> i thi it will be about the latter part of what you discussed. dianne feinstein's argument is that he -- the means justify the ends and mbe we got a bad guy and the makes the program oy, which it doesn't because the program violates to federal law and the constitution. i think, you know, he would be charged with --bout his actual conduct. and while we have dianne feinstein saying that tall we senate committee saying, look, there is a secret interpretation h

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