we pounded on the wall, on her, i knew she was in there, and ingrid newkirk and i, ingrid newkirk who's head of peta said come on, kate, let's you know let's see if she's in there. >> why did you do that? >> um, well it was actually kind of a peaceful protest. it wasn't you know like spraying the walls or anything. we just went there, there were only a few of us. um, we sat on the floor, you know we refused to leave. >> you're pretty big into reclamation recycling, right? >> well our um, motel, lazy meadow that's just down the road from here, we did reclamation recycling. we did, we used everything we could, it's a 1952 uh roadside motel that we transformed to, back to its former glory. and we uh retrofit some 50s, mid-century turquoise cabinets and pink cabinets and old refrigerators and old stoves, but we kept everything we could, the knotty pine, all the kind of uh, wood on the outside. we kept everything we could and you know tried to keep it all uh recycled, everything recycling. >> i know another issue that is dear to your heart is hiv and aids. a member of the b-52s, ricky wilson