did you finish at the first draft in 1984, and we get inman in 2013. what is happening in that time? >> it is the historical drama. bedrock is kind of a reality. new things come along. of to mention the election barack obama. we have some black president, and this is about racism. behavior, so the idea that now we have a different president is really upsetting. but just the fact women have the vote. but there is a woman president in princeton university, all , soe things are outrageous to see those rapid changes. like an old nonsexist world, looking back at slavery. -- like an old sexist world, looking back at slavery. many people are unsympathetic -- are not unsympathetic which the confederacy. there are darwin's new ideas, all these new ideas are in the the workunionizing force. and was really a conflict, the energy released by the conflict between them. good >> npr did a wonderful piece, and they use a wonderful line that the book is about conscientious people who cannot find their conscience. give me a sense of what the story is. >> the story emerg