innocence project innocence project freed him after 37 years he got out in march he came on our show he signed saying don't let the sun go down on me after the show i don't think the advertisers elton john phoned you know and was so moved and was crying and was in tears but and now they've made simon an ambassador for the innocence project and he does so many things behind the scenes also when the you know you alluded to earlier like when he is so honest with somebody and sometimes that you know honesty is like a knife in the heart when you see when he sees that somebody is like really taken aback by what he says you don't see it on the television show a lot and you didn't see it on american idol at all when we go to commercial he's the 1st one to jump up from a seat go up give them a hug and really talk to them thoroughly and let them understand what he was getting at and where he believes they should go from there you know so he's got an incredible heart and he's a good human being and good things are coming out of our show besides you know you talked about ted mack i actually went to an actual ted mack taping i'm a huge fan of you know friday television i used to watch and sullivan and all this is the last bastion of any of that where you know it's great cove you eat could be 3 it could be 93 you sit on the c

innocence project took on malcolm's case, how confident were you that he had been wrongly convicted? i know a lot of folks reach out to the innocence project. how confident were you about this particular case? >> i think the innocencearted working on malcolm's case, we spent a lot of time talking to him. we spent a lot of time reviewing his trial transcripts, removing the police reports. and one of the things that struck me and the attorneys working at the project and all the students was that there was nothing there, other than one witness who had all of the physical evidence in his custody less than 24 hours after the crime. i could see no reason why they went after malcolm and de marco. i was struck by that. we went and talked to him while he was in prison, and i put every one of my clients, when i'm working on their case, through a wringer, kind of, of asking questions, asking information, trying to understand how this happens to individuals, just like malcolm. and it was a long road. it was not an easy road. it was not a smooth, straight road. there were a lot of twists and turns, there were a lot of tears, there were frustrations. malcolm stuck with us, we tried to stick with malcolm. we were so happy when he

project for the innocent. there was a quote saying kamala is a cop, and this law school project for the innocent former directorn "the new york times" saying kamala harris was not a progressive prosecutor. said when progressives urged her to change reforms as the state's attorney general, ms. harris opposed them or stayed silent. for black lives matter protesters and many people in the streets, this is a huge issue and i'm wondering how do you -- what do you say to protesters who might not view you as an agent of change in a system that you used to work in? >> well, first of all, as it relates to the person that you have referred to in terms of those quotes, that's simply wrong. it absolutely wrong. when i was attorney general of california, i instituted one of the first requirements that law enforcement officers receive training on racial bias and procedural justice. i was, i think, the first state agency that required that law enforcement agents in that state agency wear body cameras and keep them on full-time. i'm the first that created the whole division and approach on the national model for the re-entry i

innocence project when it came to eyewitness identification. to pioneer a new way to do it to misidentification, and pushed police departments to do it. i nationally advocated with the innocence project. that is why i was so interested in body cameras when it came to that. we did a host of things. those were cutting-edge things back then, but now, after what we have seen and acknowledged the institutional racism that existed back then and exist now, now at this time with the whole world watching, it is time for us to do more with criminal justice reform as well as policing reform. think that's why it is important that if it is something that goes over the heads of people who are are not a lawyer or law student, reducing the standards of the federal government has in order to bring these crimes in cases is really critical. look for that standard, we would've brought more cases during the obama years. the standard i think is unnecessarily high. it ought to be reduced as contained in the bill that has been introduced. if you have the standard, then the justice department can serve as an appropriate backstop. first has to be considered by state and local prosecutors. also i think having