and in the reason why there can be innullment, in order for to be a true contract you have to fully intendise to be married to this man or woman till death parts us. and you have to do that freely. you cannot do it with a gun to your head. unless do i this the baby -- the freedom is important. >> wonderful. wonderful the covenant aspect of marriage. and marriage and civil law and why the church is strong about the perspective there? >> in the united states now every minister or catholic priest acts on behalf of the government. you register with the government. as you know, the married couple brings a marriage certificate with them. the priest has to sign that and send in and they get the official marriage certificate back again. so the church is the official church witness. but he's also a witness for the state. now, because there are so many people who are changing their understanding of marriage and the definition of marriage, there are priests and ministers that are saying, we should change this. we she get out of the business of being officials of the state. we should just separate the