all students inoculated.meantime students are being kept out of class if they do not have the inoculation at san francisco washington heights. >> here, and several other schools the whooping cough and inoculation did not attend. >> it is a state law that requires all students. to get their booster shot. >> out of the 24,000 students about 2000 failed to get the vaccine. there were turned away at the door. >> this morning they are being told to go to the clinic and come back with their forms. >> unfortunately state funding is part on attendance when students are turned away so is the state funding. for those students that still have not had the the vaccination they're contacting their parents, guardian on a daily basis to remind them that this has to get it done and, right away. in san francisco, dan kerman, kron 4 news. >> kaiser permanente a is bracing for a difficult work strike next week and what they're going to do to maintain service for patients. >> lase labo negotiationr is our being stalled. the medic

>> there's no government purpose served for having little girls inoculated at the force and compulsion of the government. this is big government run amok. it is bad policy. and it should not have been done. >> and can the tea party deliver on this bold promise? >> look, we are going to choose the next republican nominee. >> right. >> we are not going to accept what the republican party hands us. >> but up first tonight, stunning evidence of why the stakes of that republican civil war are so consequential. new lows for president obama on just about all of the tests you use when an incumbent asks for four more years. the president's overall approval rating, at a new low. his grades on leadership, worst ever. and nearly 6 in 10 americans now doubt the president has what it takes to manage the government effectively. yet, another low point. on the road today in ohio, the president suggested republicans know he's on the ropes and are now willing to punish unemployed americans to keep his numbers down. >> already yesterday there were some republicans quoted in washington saying that even if

and one reason this continued was because inoculation was illegal in every british colony. now, it wasn't that people hadn't done it successfully somewhere else. the turks had done it successfully. and as early as 1715, lady ashley worthily monthgue the written about it and they had spread those writings in america and there was so superstition in intervening what was considered god's will that the smallpox epidemics won't. ethan allen thought something had to be done about this and he did it -- what became his quintessential way. on a sunday as everyone poured himself out of service he had himself inoculated by dr. young. how they did it a needle a thread that was passed through a sore of somebody with smallpox passed through his arm giving him a dose of smallpox. well, he was arrested, not for inoculation because when one of the select men -- his former teacher and magistrate, reverend lee, accosted him for it, he managed to put beasbub and god in the same sentence so he was tried for blasphemy and in court he didn't make it any better and the working men and the farmers

they've outlawed inoculations. is is this still a legitimate concern? >> i don't think it is.red cross and they are the only aid organization in terms of the scale of the area they've been given access to by al shabab and they are trying to raise funds to feed 1.1 million people and they haven't managed to raise the over $155 million they need. so when donor countries say that you say, why haven't you given to the red cross? a lot of these people are going into the camps in kenya that have always been recruitment grounds for al shabab. and now al shabab are hugely unpopular because they haven't allowed foreign aid in. so if you think from the perspective of national interesting with when these people, sick, desperate and dying in camps and they think the world has forgotten about them, they're going to look around and say, maybe al shabab were right. maybe the west doesn't care about us? you'll see the militancy and the radicalization starting up all over again, anderson. >> many of you have asked us how you can help the victims. you can find a list of organizations taking don

they have outlawed inoculations. is that a legitimate concern? >> i don't think so.anizations, in fact, the only aid organizations in terms of the scale of the areas they have been given access to. they are trying to feed 1.1 million people. they haven't managed to raise the over 155 million dollars they need. when donor countries say that you say, why haven't you given to the red cross? a lot of people are going into camps in kenya that have always been recruitment grounds for al shabaab and now they are hugely unpopular because they haven't allowed in foreign aid. even just from a perspective of national interest when people sit desperate and dying in camps and they feel the world has forgotten them, you know, they will start looking around and think, well, maybe the west doesn't care about us. you are going to see the militancy and radicalization starting up all over again, anderson. >> i appreciate it. thank you very much. many of you asked how to help the victims of the famine. find a list of organizations at cnn.com/impact. there is more happening tonight. susa

children and not inoculated after september 30th it will be excluded.te money but is based on enrollment it is making every effort to get every student back. in san francisco those students are being kept out of class would not cut to the inoculation. >> san francisco washington high not everybody was in class today. hear, like several other schools in the bay area. september 30th was the cutoff. >> they're not the only ones dealing with copper thieves. >> other churches, public parks and temples. >> they are looking for deterrence. fences, burying power lines with aluminum instead of copper and adding more lighting. they're hoping that this will help. >> we have forgiven them but we would ask them not to do it again. they do have to be held accountable for their actions. >> in antioch, charles clifford. >>pam: police are still looking for these three gunmen. the first happened at 16th/ geuerrero and 19/san carlos where a man was walking his dog. and the third at hampshire. despite these a spike, crime is statistically down in the mission district. >> r

mention that sewage was poured into the river this week, requiring him to take antibiotics and inoculations. he says the support he received along the way kept him going despite all the problems. >> i was completely overwhelmed with the generosity of the british public. they all came out and saw me and waved and cheered. it made it a lot easier. >> many celebrities give time to charity but few give as much energy as williams has, combining his fame with extraordinary commitment to try to make a difference. the end of david's journey marks the perfect start for the 2012 fund-raising efforts. this has raised more than a million pounds and almost as importantly, significantly raised awareness of the charity and its worth amongst the public. >> you've been watching "newsday" from the bbc. >> a quick reminder of our main news, that the head of libya's national transitional council, mustafa abdul jalil, has delivered his first public speech in tripoli. >> make sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding was made possible by the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, and honol

they came after him for an executive order he issued, calling for preteen girls in texas to be inoculated against the hpv virus that can lead to cervical cancer in sexually active girls. some of the other candidates, notably the only woman in the debate, michele bachmann, attacked perry's move as government power run amok. and an attack on personal and family rights. it was personal and political, and it kept exploding all day long today. it's where we begin here tonight with nbc's chuck todd. >> reporter: rick perry counted on home field advantage at the tea party debate and had it over social security. >> it has been called a ponzi scheme by many people long before me. but no one's had the courage to stand up and say, here is how we're going to reform it. >> the question is, do you still believe that social security should be ended as a federal program, as you did six months ago when your book came out, and returned to the states? or do you want to retreat from that. >> i think we ought to have a conversation. >> we're having that right now, governor, we're running for president. >> rep

after he loves all inoculated for att. >> the sense that there's any >> i am willing to use a gimmick if that is what it takes to fight ignorance. >> both say it is the science that is driving them. a reebok brand spokesperson says there will not engage in the block and said this. >> rick perry says that he was wrong for trying to mandate the vaccination by executive order. >> could this episode heard her credibility enough to sink her campaign >> ? it will be problematic for her. here right now, she can no longer focused on her message to >> . other analysts say factual or not, goblins stand on the vaccines may still play well with the base. they say bachman has bigger problems right now. >> no one has to tell you how tough it is to find parking in san francisco. coming up, the free service that shows you where the parking spot to >> are. a hot day around the bay. things are warming up even more for tomorrow. i'll leave you know more about that coming up. >> in >> trap the nbc has. it's theretwxt sfo to 877877 negro detect source code. it the galoshes depending on your cellphone plan

about a decision he had made, sort of an executive order that was going to see young girls in texas inoculatedsition of hpv and thought to prevent cancer in young girls. >> at the end of the day, this was about trying to stop a cancer and giving the parental option to opt out of that, and at the end of the day, you may criticize me about the way that i went about it, but at the end of the day, i am always going o err on the side of life. >> thousands of donations to the governor. this is flat out wrong. the question is, was it about life or about millions of dollars? >> the company was merck, and it was a $5,000 contribution that i had received from them. i raise about $30 million, and if you're saying that i can be bought for $5,000, i'm offended. >> i'm offended for all the little girls and the parents that didn't have a choice. that's what i'm offended for. >> really, she got the applause on that one, alex. a very interesting debate, because, you know, rick santorum on the side said parents should have been given the option to opt in, not opt out. this debate was about executive orders, abo

he forced children to have hpv inoculation. i can keep listing them and i don't choose to do it. we have had a lot of leaders and they last a week or two. but people need to look at the record and make the decision. >> there is a feeling that your camp is being ignored. do you agree it is a long shot . i am used to being treated like that. i am pleased i get as much attention that i do get. but me essentially tying in iowa and the straw vote and not getting one single major interview. others came to my defense. it was not our campaign yelling and screaming and i sort of take these things in stride . and that was the news in itself and just because it was so clear and obvious that for some reason there a are intimidated and frightened me for being on the show. they don't understand or have the message out. four program and others on fox had me on geniusly. >> thank you. >> andar sarah palin supporters are awaiting her speech this afternoon in iowa which is the lead off caucus state. they are watching for signs that the former vp candidate will say something about the bid for the w

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this summer, with mixed reviews of her debate performances and some questionable claims about an inoculate controversy in a debate with rick perry. >> little girls who have a negative reaction to this potentially dangerous drug don't get a mulligan. they don't get a do-over. >> reporter: in fact, bachmann's downfall, according to some party faithful, may have come the day rick perry entered the race. >> my check bachmann did very well obviously in the iowa straw poll, but the entrance of rick perry has changed the race around and it remains to be seen whether rick perry can keep that star power he's had and how that affects michele bachmann and her getting her legs and traction back in the race. >> reporter: they will be listening intently tonight to see what michele bachmann has to say, but i have to say the feeling here is the bloom is off the rose when it comes to the bachmann campaign. dave brian, cbs 5 from l.a. allen, back to you. >> thanks, dave. >>> and we'll be right back. ,,,,,,,, when your eyes are smiling... ,,,,,,,, you're smiling. and when they're laughing... you're laughing.

would be required of the texan government to mandate that our young daughters would have to be inoculated against potential disease from this company that his former chief of staff was lobbying for that is crony capitalism. that's part of the problem we have in this country. people are afraid, even within our own party to call one another out on that. true reform and fighting the corruption and fighting the crony capitalism is a tough thing to do within your own party. you have to go up against the big guns. they will try to destroy you, when you call them out on the mistakes they've made. believe me i know that. i have the bumps and bruises to prove it, because that's what i've been doing the last 20 years, local, state then on the vp trail, different levels of government, calling out the corruption in government. michelle bachmann tried to make that point tonight. potentially, she is going to get crust find -- get crust find by some in the party, don't call somebody out in your own party. we have to call one another out on things that have left to the crony capitalism, to the favors, to

so he wanted to try to characterize what the american system was and why it worked in order to inoculate it from drying on these systems of europe. he called the american system american individualism. was special because it was centered around the individual and it harbored and protected the ideal of quality of opportunity. not of outcome but opportunity. and he knew his story wouldn't be able to happen anywhere else in the world. he was born in west branch, i will. a frontier town with the first president and family born west of the mississippi. he was broken when he was 9 years old and sent west and started his career at manual labor and rose to the greatest heights of success in international business. with the end of his triumphant campaign in 1928 he gave a speech called rugged individualism. this speech was basically a campaign distillation of the ideas of american individualism. he talked about how america had a choice of two futures in 1928. america had a choice of sticking with the american system of individualism. i will read the quote. a choice between the american system of

governor did was he signed a mandatory order with an opt-out provision for parents with preteen girls inoculatedgainst this sex yul this sex yulely transmitted disease and he said he wanted to opt on the side of life, but the problem for perry in the debate is that it was seen as the christian conservatives and emerging tea party types as abridgment of parental rights and of course more deadly as crony capitalism, and it did not work in texas. the voters evaluated and re-elected him, but it looks like it is on a whole new stage. >> we will see how it plays out. wayne slater, thank you. >>> and michele bachmann's startling claim that this vaccine can cause mental retardation is causing a stir in the medical community. and we will break this one down, fact and fiction and how much truth behind her comments. >> they started as a week as bystanders to a horrifying accident, and now they are hailed as heroes. a half a dozen bystanders jumped in to help save a young man trapped understoneath a car andw more news that the man trapped is going to be fine. >> it is great to know that i was part of humani

for mothers out there with daughters that were forced to have an inoculation, they may see that as somethingthey reject. i also think there's a point where governor romney, many voters have started to gravitate to him, because the overall issue he's focused on has been the economy. and moms, dads, people -- all people who are young, really want this economy fixed, because that's been a central focus, his electability has been apparent. >> you're chuckling a bit, my friend. >> yes. because, look, clearly it doesn't help to talk about the hpv issue. it doesn't help at all. while you have republicans not happy with the immigration stance, that is exactly what is going to be appealing to latino voters, especially in the western states. so when you talk about colorado, new mexico, arizona, nevada, that's going to be critical. republicans are sitting here upset by it. this is a guy from texas. i can tell you right now, texas is a lot different from georgia and tennessee and alabama, mississippi, louisiana when 2 comes to latinos. republicans may want to start figuring that out. at the end of the d

when some vaccinations don't inoculate, trying to be tea party small and big texas big government bigll at the same time. >> you're too smart for me, man. i try to follow and then two sentences into it, i lose you. maria, panic, is that on that list of things that are not going well for the president? >> no, i don't think panic is the right word. i think sticking with your message -- i take away two things from what james said. i love him to death. he did say two things that were important. what i take away from panic means do not take anything for granted. and you know that this white house is not taking anything for granted. we talk about how st r the gop, presidential hopeful he are all conservative, right wing tea partiers who are going to have a tough time in a general election getting independent voters. i still believe that absolutely to be true. but this white house needs to take every single one of them very seriously and continue to fof on job creation and make the distinction that the gop is not focusing on job creation. >> lenny, she said there the way he said it was not h

christian conservatives don't like it, it's inoculating against a sexually transmitted disease. government conservatives don't like it because there was an mandate. reformers of all strikes are troubled by this allegation mrs. bachmann of the close nexus between the governor and chief lobbyist at the time for merck. more and more, i think people will be pulling on that string. the texas economy wasn't as great for working people in texas. rick perry's time in public office has been awfully good to him. i think that may become a thread that mrs. bachmann or others trying to get back in the race and slow down the front-runner will a dropt. >>> we'll have more coming up and play the one time front-runner rick perry was actually booed tonight and a look at how it may have reshuffled the republican playing field. who is up, who is down and who may be dropping out next when we continue. imagine... one scooter or power chair that could improve your mobility and your life. one medicare benefit that, with private insurance, may entitle you to pay little to nothing to own it. one company

and it's going to inoculate its banking system by providing capital to its hobbled banks.french banks were downgraded by rating agencies worried about their exposure to greek debt. if greece goes, there's the wary that portugal, ireland, italy, swain would -- we don't know what the consequences would be. >> let's take it to what the president is doing in term of the american crisis on the jobs front. he plans to take the message on the road. we'll show everybody where he's going. on tuesday, columbus, ohio. wednesday, raleigh-durham, north carolina. what can he really say to sell this more than he had from the rose garden, flanked by uniformed men and women, flanked by out-of-work teachers, flanked by construction workers talking about the crumbling infrastructure of america? what more does he need to say get this snoeold? >> look, we have a jobs crisis, we have a growth crisis. the u.s. is growing far below its potential. i expect at the end of the day whether the bill portions or -- boehner and kantor have shown signs of willing to compromise. i think the federal reserve

christian conservatives don't like it because it's inoculating against a sexually transmitted diseasermers of all stripes i think are troubled by this allegation mrs. bachman made of the close nexus between the governor and chief lobbyist at the time for merck, more and more, i think you're going to see people pulling on that string. it turns out the texas economy wasn't as great for working people in texas, but rick perry's time in public office has been awfully good to rick perry. that may become a thread that mrs. bachman or others that are trying to get back in this race may begin to adopt. >> we're going to have more from all our panelists coming up. we're also going to play the one time front-runner rick perry was booed tonight, and a look at how tonight's debate may have shuffled the playing field. who's up, who's down, and who may be dropping out next. ♪ been torn apart ♪ got so many scratches and scars ♪ ♪ maybe time can mend us together again ♪ ♪ it's not what we've done but how far we've come ♪ ♪ i know that we will recover [ male announcer ] here when you need us most. ♪ i

. >> there is no government purpose served for having little girls inoculated at the force and compulsion of the government. this is big government run amuck. it is bad policy and should not have been done. >> congressman paul, you're from texas. does your governor deserve all that credit? >> not quite. i'm a taxpayer there. my taxes have gone up. our taxes have doubled since he's been in office. i would put a little damper on this but i don't want to offend the governor because he might raise my taxes or something. >> i am the only nonpolitician on this stage tonight. we need a bold solution, not one that tinkers around the edges, not one that allows the politicians to continue to pick winners and losers. >> in the four years i was speaker, we created, the american people, not me, created more jobs in utah than under governor huntsman, more jobs in massachusetts than under governor romney and more jobs in texas than in the 11 years of governor perry. >> for rick to say you can't secure the border i think is pretty much a treasonist comment. >> one month ago today that rick perry became a

what hurt perry last night is not the ponzi scheme, it's that inoculations forced on those 12-year-olds and the immigration issue, which is a real problem. >> yeah, i agree. >> you'll notice that romney got around to perry's right on immigration, because that's a general election issue as well. >> how did he do that? because he wants a tougher border like you do. >> he said in-state tuition, you don't give benefits to people in the country illegally. >> will that work? are you concerned about that, governor pataki, that in tearing down rick perry for being too liberal, the party looks pretty far right? >> no, i don't think so. because, first of all, most of the public isn't paying attention. obviously, we all are, you are, the people who watch the debate, but the public's not focused yet. and i think what the people are going to want to see in a general election is an alternative policy direction to the one that obama has put in place over the last three and a half years, and there's plenty of time to do that. i think -- >> you don't think ponzi scheme has been hurt by the average perso

kids who are not inoculated after september 30th will be excluded from school. >> some schools are making all their students vaccinated. meantime in stanford's as those that have not had the will to called ataxia are being kept out of the cross all--classroom. >> at san francisco's washington high, not everyone was in class. students who did not receive a whopping cough booster shot were not allowed to attend. >> it is a state law. it requires all students in grades 7-12 to get a booster shot from will be called. >> of the 24,007 dustin old craters, a 2000 bill to get feedback seen by the thursday deadline. poor reporter >> there are several clinics in this city. we have a flyers to give them. >> unfortunately state funding is based in part on attendance. when students are turned away, still or state dollars. if for those students is to have not gotten the vaccination cover the school district is called talking parents and guardians of a daily basis. kaiser permanente hospital is bracing for a busy week. jeb bush explained what the strike is about the >> . labor negotiations have stalled

street to have to deal toh our country's inability invest in fixing people, healing families, and inoculating our children from the drug use. we do not invest enough. countries like portugal and the netherlands, we can do those things, but we have not invested in those enough to do that. you cannot flip the switch on legalization at this point. one, there is no evidence of it. they are still waiting for data to show that marijuana is a medically accepted drug. and we are not prepared because we have not invested in getting the beds and the people to fix those people in the cycle of addiction one should turn that legalization switch on. that is it for me and i'll look for your questions later. [applause] >> i asked panelist to please come up and take their seats. " we will have now, we will have 30 minutes of debate which i hope to direct it in some meaningful way. then we will open it up for 20 minutes to the audience after that. the first thing i need to do is apologize to dr. nadelmann for forgetting that dr. when i introduced him. the first question -- why marijuana? an argument is often p

. >> to mandate that our young daughters would have to be inoculated against a potential disease from the company that the former chief of staff was lobbying for. that's crony capitalism./,c >> reporter: he did sign the orderer after his former chief of staff became a lobbyist for merck, the company that produced the vaccine. >> it was a $5,000 contribution that i had received from them. >> reporter: $5,000 the year before. but $30,000 total over the years. and that aide-turned lobbyist, made over $300,000 from merck, and is now a key fund-raiser for a pro-perry pack. what about the health effects? michele bachmann claimed on fox -- >> there is a woman who came up crying to me after the debate. she said her daughter was given that vaccine. she said her daughter suffered mental retard as ags /* /- as a result of that vaccine. >> reporter: doctors say doubtful. >> there's no dada to indicate that hpv vaccine has any association with mental retardation. >> reporter: doctors are emphatic about this. this is a crucial fact. both the cdc and the american academy of pediatrics recommend thes

. >>> there is no government purpose, sir, for having little girls inoculated at the force and compulsionmuck. it is bad policy. and it should not have been done. >> that was republican presidential hopeful rick santorum last night at the cnn tea party debate. he was slamming texas governor rick perry for his 2007 order that required 12-year-old girls to get vaccinated against hpv, a virus that causes cervical cancer unless parents opted out. senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen joining us now as parts of this week's in depth coverage of rick perry. let's talk first about hpv. what is it exactly? >> it's the human papilloma virus and it can cause cervical cancer. 4,000 women die a year of cervical cancer. it's not a huge cancer killer because women get pap smears but it is very common, about half of all sexually active americans will get it at some point in their life. for most it's not a big deal but for some it turns into cancer. >> this vaccine is stirring up quite a bit of controversy even now. >> years later, right. >> is it safe? does it work? >> the centers for disease cont

they did these seemingly incompetitive advantage -- inoculous approach. this is who it disenfranchises. you have to show voter id. 24% of the elderly don't have a voter id. they don't have a government id. 56% of hispanic women don't have a government id. 53% of african-americans don't have a voter id, and 78% of african-american males between the ages of 18 and 24 don't have that id. now, i say that's real simple. you can just go and buy one. well, first of all, they shut down the mv's on saturday so people have to take a day's work to get the mv, and it costs them $20 to $30. a lot of the elderly don't have that. you say there was no voter fraud in wisconsin. this is about suppressing the vote. this whole attack was about going after every progressive voice that was out there to shut them down making us defend collective bargaining and spend money. what they didn't count on is the uprising that would happen, and they are spending more money than we are, and quite frankly, i think we're winning. we have the student or the citizens veto in ohio. we will -

it is like inoculating are vaccinating a person. you are essentially making the plant resistant. you build it in. it is amazing. people here that and they get scared. -- hear that and get scared. the e.u. has a lot of resistance and have spent upwards of 300 million euros over 25 years looking for problems, investigating this issue. but the conclusion is that these techniques are no more dangerous than anything used before. in the 20th-century we use radiation and chemicals to accelerate the mutation. a mutation is just a genetic change. we have been doing a lot of genetic modification. because we have been so successful and agriculture has become so suspicions -- so sufficient, nobody knows what it takes to get all that food to the table. host: is a regulated market from the united states standpoint? guest: genetically modified foods are heavily regulated which was a burden that was created 25 years ago when we did not know very much. it has to stop. today, it costs upwards of $10- $20 million to bring one crop. all these big biotech companies and big crops can support that whic

we were able to implement here and tier inoculates commensurate with interest to apply that logic, why not do the same in syria? there seem to be people being killed there. >> i laid out the front end of the answer. a set of criteria you need to work through with respect to military action, including a set of allies and partners he would work with, but also needs to be as. >> you don't expect anything by us in terms of syria? >> i don't expect that, no. but expect us to do in the case of syria is that we have organized an effort around the world to isolate and really squeeze the assad regime. he took a choice to repression. he had other choices in front of him. what he is done of course now is lost even his neighbors who have had close relations. an example of course is turkey who had invested 10 years and really trying to develop a positive constructive relationship with syria. during the course of the last 45 or 60 days, a site has demonstrated his commitment to repression. he is slaughtered people during the holy month of ramadan. he reject a turkey and its efforts to seek and push

i do not want to suggest that has inoculated them against the overall problems they face. >> the burdendoing the smart cuts is greater. we need to look into all of these programs to see where the cuts ought to be made rather than just dealing with the numbers. thank you very much. i yield back. >> senator portman. >> building on what congressman cliburn just said, had you gotten reaction to the study that shows when you are at 90% of gross debt you have an impact on gdp, jobs, and the kinds of issues that congressman cliburn -- clyburn talked about? >> the study was looking at a gross debt. those are larger numbers. we focus on debt held by the public. they divided the world into pockets of different levels of debt. that does not prove there is some particular to pinpoint at 90%. the evidence shows above that level, the economy tends not to do well. we wrote about the risk of the physical -- fiscal crisis. we do not think it is possible to identify a particular to pinpoint. there is no doubt that as that rises from the risk of fiscal crises rise. the government loses the flexibility to

. >> how could we spend all this time talking about the inoculation program in texas and not talk aboutg in this country. >> right. >> so we can create advanced manufacturing jobs that pay a good middle-class wage. there was nothing there. the only thing they seem to agree on is we ought to roll back wall street reforms and give wall street the right to write its own rules again. i don't think anybody believe that's the answer. >> let's talk about special election going on in new york, anthony weiner's old seat. politico reporting, the president's approval rating among independents in the teens. what's happened with the president over the past six months to a year with independents. you've seen the numbers collapse since august of '09, but precipitously of late, what exactly has happened? because republicans seem to be the ones getting the most dinged for the debt ceiling bill, but there's scar tissue on both sides, right? >> i don't think anybody benefitted from that episode, and, you know, we suffered, they suffered more i think, but i think it's important, you know, at some point, jo

the entitlement programs end up helping those people, but i don't want to suggest that that has inoculated them against overall problems that they face. >> that means the burden of doing smart -- is greater than what it may appear, just looking at the numbers. we really need to look into all of these programs and see exactly where our cuts ought to be made rather than just dealing with the numbers. thank you very much. i yield back. >> senator portman? >> thanks, madam chair. building on what my colleague, congressman clyburn just said and what co-chair hensarling talked about earlier, dr. elemndorf, have you got a reaction to the study that shows 90% of gross debt, the impact on g.d.p., the kinds of issues that congressman clyburn talked about? >> i'm certainly familiar with that work. a member of our panel, we benefit from her expertise, i think the thing to note is they were looking at gross debt. those are larger numbers than the numbers you will see from me. we focus on debt held by the public. they divided the world into buckets in scenes of different levels of debt. that doesn't pro

i do not want to suggest that that has inoculated them against overall problems they faced. >> that means the burden of doing smart cut his greater than what it may appear just looking at the numbers. we really need to look into all of these programs and see exactly where cuts ought to be made rather than just dealing with a number. thank you very much. i yield back. >> building on what my colleague congressman cliburn just said and we talked about earlier with the impact of debt on the economy. he you have a reaction to the study that shows once you are at 90% of gross debt, which are already, you have an impact on gdp, therefore on jobs and the kind of issues that clever talked about? >> we benefit from her expertise. i think the thing to know about the study. first of all, they are looking at gross debt. those are larger numbers than the ones you will see on me. something to say, they divided the world into buckets in a sense of different levels of debt. that does not prove there are some particular tipping point at 90%. sestet the evidence shows of of that level, the economy tends to

features of entitlement programs end up helping those people, but i don't want to suggest that has inoculatedgainst overall problems that they face. >> that means, the burden of doing smart cuts is greater than what it may appear just looking at the numbers. that means we really need to look into all of these programs in c. in fact where cuts are to be made rather than just dealing with the numbers? >> yes. >> thank you very much. i yield back. >> senator portman. >> thank you. building on what my colleague congressman clyburn just said, and what cochair hensarling talked about earlier in terms of the deficit and debt on the come to me and dr. elmendorf have you got the reaction to the reinhart studied which is 90% of gross debt which we are already, it would have an impact on gdp and therefore jobs on the kinds of issues that congressman clyburn talked about? >> certainly familiar with that work, senator reinhart is a member of our -- i think the thing to note about the study first of all it was said that they are looking at gross debt so those are larger numbers than you will see from me. w