>> the only inrmation we have is what i told you. >> but it is unusual, is it not? >> >> it was not utilized previously. 'm afraid i cannot tell you -- >> but it was not a normal procedure, yes or no? >> it has been used on multiple occasions in the gulf. >> hasn't been used on less than 10% of procedures? you are under oath. i am askingou a simple question. what percentage of times today removed and the mud before they finished the plug? is it less than 50%. >> i do not know. >> you do not know? >> know. -- no. the responsibility for that decision lies between the leaseholder -- >> i did not ask you about that. do you know? >> i would not be able to quantify the percentage of wells. >> well, this article indicates that it is unusual. are you aware of any times that this has been done before? . . >> it's also my understanding that if you are found to be grossly negligent you will automatically be pressed by the law to exceed the $75 million liability cap. if you are not found to be grossly negligent, is bp prepared to pay the full extent of real economic damage, not

it is a way to identify people who can provide you that kind of inrmation. host: did you serve overseas? guest: a number of my colleagues were overseas. host: can youell us about one adventure? guest: i am afraid not. i still have clearances with the community. i would love to do it but probably best not. i am writing a book right now on domestic intelligence. i've written about the uses of intelligence. it is a tool that has to be carefully monitored in terms of use. people tend to love o it as the be all and end all on gathering information. you can dump the national gdp you want but ultimately it has limits. this is a big country. figure out what you want to protect and how much you want to spend on it. i will get soft in terms of my politics. i'm worried about how much information we are gathering. i am worried authorities bark now collecting intelligence. we do not have a great history of that in the united states in terms of when we did it. we have a more willing press. you're not going to have nine of hidden background thing that you had with richard