i agree with congressman insly that we need to modernize our grid. we do need to give more authority, in my opinion. to make decisions when the states can't do it themselves. we tried to do that. perhaps we can try it a different way. i don't know that we need to go that far for electricity. there's a middle ground where the states can work together. in any event, mr. chairman, this is a good hearing. hopefully o of this will come consensus on both sides of taise about what to do legislatively. now when you were talking about the letters of june #th and the comments of the ceo of mid american. first of all i'm very appreciative of what you've said. it was not intended to intimidate. and that you called him to correct the misunderstanding. i appreciate you doing that. let me elaborate why people like myself have expressed concerns. you can't make the best public policy if you don't have witnesses come before this committee and give their full honest assessment of whatever the issue is. if the only witnesses that are going to be received are witnesses

insly. can we go down and ask how many would support that?> i would not for the simple reason that the standard does not speak to existing carbon intensive generation being able to piggyback. >> thank you. mr. jost? >> i have to qualify my answer.