building up for decades, and part of what was going on in congress is that southern slaveholders were protecting that institution by threatening and intimidating and occasionally really being physically violent towards anyone who opposed them. >> the title "there will be blood" comes to mind. when was there blood? >> well, in one case, one congressman actually killed another congressman in a duel in 1838. but for the most part, what you see a lot in congress -- i mean in a sense, it's not unlike some of what we're seeing today. the point of it wasn't necessarily to shed blood. it was to score points. it was to make a point. it was to silence people through intimidation. so it wasn't necessarily about bloodshed. it was about bullying more than anything else. >> talk about how firearms were viewed, were carried. were they on a per capita, prorated basis for pervasive and likely to be used than today? >> well, for sure there was a lot of firearms in this period around. but if we're talking specifically about congress, there were a good number of congressmen who were armed. southerners were more likely to be armed for a time than northerners, sometimes with pistols, sometimes with bouie