a faith in and it's clear that this past several years our intelligence agencies and other agencies of the u.s. government were weaponized against their political enemies and this is a scandal that people need to pay attention to and this is also let me just say this , this is what happens when the insiders maintain control over all of the information and this is why i believe that president trump as the outsider is being viciously attacked because he's getting close to really changing the way that washington works and they do not want the rules changed, which is why they've gone back to the guy that they can trust as a nominee, the 47 years of joe biden, they know exactly what he's going to do and what rules he'll play by. maria: well, that's right. people do not want to lose their grip on power. ric, i wanted to ask you about the lgbtq community and why you have said such favorable things about the president, we will talk about that next time hope you'll join me next week, ric, ric grenell, that'll do it for "sunday morning futures" watch us the repeat today 4:00 p.m. eastern and

faith in and it's clear that this past several years, our intelligence agencies and other agencies of. government were weaponized against their political enemies and this is a scandal that people need to pay attention to and this is also -- let me just say this. this is what happens when the insiders maintain control over all of the information. and this is why i believe that president trump as the outsider heis being viciously attacked because he's getting close to really changing the way that washington works and they do not twant the rules changed. which is why they've gone back to the guy that they can trust as the nominee, the 47 years of joe biden, they know exactly what he's going to do and what rules he'll play by. maria: . well, that's right. people do not r want to lose thr grip onip power. i wanted to ask about the lgbtq community and why you have said such favorable things about the president. we will talk about that next time. hope you'll join me next week. we need to hear more from you. ric t grenell. watch the repeat today, 4:00 p.m. eastern and i'll see you tomorrow. i

intelligence agencies learned last year that the president's private lawyer, rudy giuliani, was beinggeted as part of a russian intelligence disinformation program aimed at joe biden. the information came as a result of surveillance of andriy derkach who has been identified bit treasury as a russian agent. the warning about giuliani was passed to the white house. giuliani told "the washington post" he was never informed that derkash was a foreign asset. ken dilanian and phil rucker, thanks for joining us. ken, the u.s. wasn't spying on giuliani but he was picked up as part of, presumably, intercepts involving this russian asset. >> that's right, andrea. the cia and other intelligence agencies don't spy on americans but they do spy on russian agents overseas. when those people are speaking to americans, as happened in the case of the president's lawyer rudy giuliani, sometimes those americans get picked up on intercepts, become the subject of intelligence reports. and that's what happened here, my sources tell me. the cria and other intelligence agencies became concerned that rudy giul

intelligence agency. the democrats have not called a single hearing to investigate any of these issues even though this committee is supposedly dedicated to overseeing the intelligence community and investigating abuses. they've held a hearing on global warming but don't care about documented corruption of the fisa process or suspected russian agents compiling political dirt for the democratic party. after mueller testified to this committee and again failed to expose the mythical collusion conspiracy, the democrats suddenly switched tracks and impeached president trump based on an anonymous whistle-blower complaint from a bureaucrat who we later learned had coordinated his attack with the democratic staff of you guessed it, this very committee. despite the democrats insisting they'd never had any contact with this whistle-blower. although the democrats brought our oversight work to a halt for months and completely transformed this committee to an impeachment committee, even holding ridiculous secret depos

. >> look, we've had a number of the intelligence agencies not recognize the importance of transparencys across all of the intelligence with agencies who overclassify and continue to manipulate the process pretending like somehow sources or methods aring being given away. and i can assure you that that is not happening. i had lots of fights with intelligence officials and leaders where they were trying to explain to me why certain information was either a source or a method and how we developed the source, and i would push back hard and say that's not the case at all. what the case that you're covering up internal mistakes of the department. and you don't have a right to do that. this is not an exercise in trying to protect the reputation of different agencies. we have a crisis in this country with intelligence agencies, and if we're going to fix it, the american people need to have a faith in their system. and the faith starts by admitting mistakes and coming clean and saying we erred, and we're going to fix this. lou: i think in this instance, and i think you would agree with me, this

hurd and asked you if you are aware of any politicization in the intelligence at your agency . ink he was of his present you said that you were aware of some intelligence . what are you referring to . joseph maher: e-mail for mr. murphy. that was sent to the workforce . subsequently reported to the press. >> what is that e-mail alleged . joseph maher: and instructed the intelligence professionals to characterize activities for certain individuals in a certain way. so my understanding is that's been reviewed by the inspector general . >> and what individuals in what way. joseph maher: my understanding, we need to look back at the e-mails. my understanding is was angege instruction to characterize certain individuals as an argus. warranty for affiliated there something along those lines. >> so you're aware of some evidence of an effort to put aside ellen and trent intelligence by accentuating a threat from anti- for and downplaying the threat for white supremacist bring. joseph maher: know, is not what i'm saying . >> then what are youfa saying . joseph maher: as it's understood i

it dealt with a control of government intelligence agencies. governor carter was making his response, and had very nearly finished it. he will conclude that response now, after which president ford and governor carter will make their closing statements. governor? >> there has been too much government secrecy. and not enough respect for the personal privacy of american citizens. >> it is now time for the closing statements, which are to be up to four minutes long. governor carter by the same toss of the coin that directed the first question to you, you are to go first now. >> well, tonight we've had a chance to talk a lot about the past but i think it's time to talk about the future. our nation in the last eight years has been didded. as never before. it's a time for unity. it's a time to draw ourselves together, to have a president and a congress that can work together, with mutual respect for change. cooperating for change. and open for change so people can understand our own government. it's time for government, industry, labor, manufacturing

do, there was nothing out of the ordinary and lo and behold, in a matter of a few days, the intelligence agenciesogether a report that says vladimir putin was trying to help trump, don't forget they added their the p tape which is only essentially the peter tape was looking back on it for the bidens, he was the only one involved in prostitutes and every crazy thing in moscow, the clinton fusion gps listen to hunter biden and must've been on his laptop and said this will be a great story to make up about the term campaign and republicans. i'm being a little bit sarcastic but you get my point. the bottom line all the deep state bureaucrats should let this and want this to be outcome if you're an analyst within the intelligence agencies, the last thing that you would want to be tied to is this ridiculous p tape in moscow. lou: we now know the characterization of it and we know that the president has authorized the attorney general has authorized the attorney general william barr, the dni, john radcliffe to declassify and move on it but it has not happened. if it does not happen in the next day or tw

intelligence agencies. we're on the story all morning long. joining me at the 8:00 a.m. hour, i'll speak with trey gowdy about who knew what and when. vice president mike pence and senator kamala harris squaring off in utah tonight for the first vice presidential debate. what to expect, coming up. markets are higher, take a look at futures, a gain in the triple digits this morning, the dow industrials up 129 points, nasdaq up 43, s&p 500 higher by 13. this after markets fell yesterday after president trump walked away from the stimulus talks with speaker nancy pelosi. the president tweeting no more stimulus talks until after the election. causing an afternoon reversal. the dow industrials down 376 points at the close, the nasdaq lower by 177 and the s&p 500 down 47. briefing -- bracing for impact, hurricane delta churning toward the gulf coast now, some southern states declaring a state of emergency. raining -- reining in big tech, lawmakers weighing whether or not top tech firms should be broken up. getting

it's beginning to come to the four but for many years our intelligence agencies were giving us badinformation . that problem of analysis, of analyzing the collected information to a major hit beginning in 2010. and that's when chinese intelligence or counterintelligence was able to begin unraveling the cia's recruited agent network inside china. as many as 27 of the cia's agents were caught. many of them were executed including one that was brought out into the central ministries and executed on the spot in front of a large number of chinese intelligence personnel. the message was unmistakable that they were going to aggressively pursue any efforts to learn what's going on . this is a problem because without understanding the nature of the chinese threat, without good intelligence we're never going to be able to formulate good policies. so to sum up i think the ultimate solution here is that the united states really needs to continue this policy of confronting china, of making sure that we bring about a different kind of system there. you could call it regime change. i think the terms that po

intelligence agencies warned the white house, in the december timeframe last year, that rudy giulianient's lawyer, was in frequent contact with individuals with direct ties to russian intelligence. and that, white house officials were worried enough about this, that the national security adviser privately spoke with the president in the oval office, to try to caution him against believing that anything that rudy told him after returning from ukraine. and the president basically dismissed these warnings, and said he's my lawyer. that's rudy. >> now, this is where it gets bizarre. not only did, i guess, the president dismiss that, but he embraced it because rudy giuliani was on this show, again, not long ago. and i told him what u.s. intelligence agencies said about what's the guy's name? alexei, the guy who is in the picture? >> yeah. >> they say this guy's a russian intel guy and that he was working you. and rudy says, yeah, they can say that, he isn't. and he admits and, then, is pray parroting things and that's exactly what rudy is pushing after meeting with this guy, who he says is

or 3 men in russia who have access to knowledge ok they are the head of the intel internal intelligence agency the foreign intelligence and the military intelligence all 3 men report directly to president vladimir putin and of all he says it's very like if for a decision on this level to be made basically they would have had to consult president putin now for putin to go to such extreme measures novelli is saying it means that cracks really are a pairing at the top of the kremlin they've used what is basically a biological weapon on russian soil that shows that the old methods of intimidation auth arrests of decision figures is no longer working add to that there's been a government demonstrations in russia this summer and not only is this this really looks like the kremlin is fighting for its survival and whoever's behind it was not expecting germans to take the ball only as was the case there was been the reaction from moscow to this moscow has said the accusations are groundless and unacceptable dmitri peskov he's the spokesman for the kremlin he also said that the volley has been working w

everyone commented at the time it would be easy for foreign intelligence agency to do that. we are being cautious to do this. there is an e-mail about a meeting that joe biden allegedly had. and rudy giuliani won't give the copy so until then we can't accept it is real. >> it is widely known that rudy giuliani had been wonderirking russian intelligence -- why not release it? >> well, typically doj does not release the results of its investigatio investigatio investigatio investigations: good bad or otherwise. this is an investigation that's conducted under the public's eye. this is an investigation that looks like it was ordered by the president of the united states which puts it beyond the realm of most normal investigation. that would seem to indicate that the public is entitled to some form of accounting. we saw the u.s. attorney in texas who ran this investigation, john bash, leaves quietly and we don't know what to make of that. was he asked to leave or was he unhappy of the outcome of the investigation? what this under line is doj should not be politicized. it is desig

growing problem in germany and that's something that the the that the head of the german domestic intelligence agency reiterated again today as well and there really was a very clear message from president. this evening on german society to stand together and stand up against any kind of hatred whether that be and semitism xenophobia or islamophobia whether it be in a cafe or in an underground and he it was a very summed up in a very poignant phrase when he said simply we are strong when we stand together and so he called on german society is a day to stop turning a blind eye to these kinds of events if democracy is going to really live up to its true values and the values gemini stands for won't be infringed. what have people there been saying to you about this and what it means to them. well of course it's been a very somber day today here in hallowed but also a time to reflect on what's happening here in germany in the last year both for the jewish community here in the city but also nationwide of course has been increased police presence at several synagogues schools kindergartens across the coun

this has been controversial, not something intelligence agencies want to push in front of president trump, but it's been a consistent finding throughout the term of president trump and something that the intelligence agencies have affirmed here. this is relevant now because we know the russians are using their hacking team to get into state and local networks here. they haven't done anything yet to change the tally, but they're there and that's troubling. >> one of the things you write is that, quote, the key questions that american intelligence agencies have not answered are the extent of russia's effort and how open mr. putin wants to be about it. those are pretty important questions. >> they are. we have to remember that while we do have intelligence on russia, it's very hard to collect there. vladimir putin is extraordinarily disciplined. he does not use electronic devices. it's very hard to intercept his communications. one key source at the cia had in 202016 had to be evacuated and relocated to northern virginia for a time. but new sources come, new avenues of information. so there

what other indications were of both what the justice department was up to, the fbi and the intelligence agenciesr steele, there was absolutely no reason for anyone to take seriously that dossier, and yet we know that the head of cia, the head of the fbi all were taking it seriously and peddling it. >> well, the document that came out just in the last few hours that you had john solomon explaining in the last segment -- i was able to listen to it -- lou: right. >> -- that's essentially the non-confirmation document. it actually shows the fbi had zero, zero evidence that anything in that dossier was real, but they tried to make it look real. and i remember being told by the highest ranking people at doj and fbi that the, oh, yes, they were really -- they ran through a whole verification process. well, it looks like their verify caution process was a non-- verification process was a nonverification process. those important documents that have come out in the last couple weeks are the two smoking guns. one, the handwritten notes by the former cia director from 2016 that everyone in the obama white h

those individuals leading the intelligence agencies during the obama era silenced those voices. re silenced. and so all we're trying to do now is be transparent. and it certainly has gotten a lot of people in washington upset whenever you try to be transparent. washington, d.c. types don't like it because they like to control the narrative, control the information and hand it out in little ways so that they can spin it. we've seen schiff do it, we've seen samantha power do it, we've seen susan rice do it, we've seen brennan and comey. this is a whole cast of characters. and i'll tell you why this really matters, lou, is that the american people need to know that their government doesn't have leaders that weaponize the powers of government against their political enemies. this is the type of thing that when it happens in foreign countries, we we condemn it. i spent 11 years at the state department, and when we would see opposition folks in other countries do these kinds of tactics, we would condemn it. lou: ric, there's -- to me, it's a little simpler than that, and i want to firs

well andy indeed the russian foreign intelligence agency they have released a memo a statement and at 1st they're just expressing the general concern for the well being of the people of nagorno-karabakh and they are calling the issued a call to to both sides to stop the fighting immediately but this is we've already heard from many many sides but what gets when it gets more interesting is as you've mentioned they have said that they have information about hundreds if not thousands of syrian mercenaries fighting in this conflict and they are talking about some of the most radical groups too and they have raised alarm saying that they need it have this information they're an intelligence agencies will according to their sources again hundreds if not thousands of fighters there here's what they had to say have a listen. according to the information that is available to russia's foreign intelligence service mercenaries from warring international terrorist organizations in the middle east are actively heading to the conflict zone in particular job for cattle homs us halt on moron as well a

what other indications were of both what the justice department was up to, the fbi and the intelligence agencies, there was absolutely no reason for anyone to take seriously that dossier, and yet we know that the head of cia, the head of the fbi all were taking it seriously and peddling it. >> well, the document that came out just in the last few hours that you had john solomon explaining in the last segment -- i was able to listen to it -- u:u:ightightight -->> tha etissentily matiirma doconent.onen it aua acty scty sy she f f f hd ee z z evi encdeet t ythiythin ng in i ios wsier wew re, altheythey triedma to mao mt eal. r dan remr emgemem tdolyhe eskinganananpl at doj antan t, oh,es yeshey wewell ty ryanhrough p.ehohohoeratnnn proce p. verifivericativeoncaonceceas-- n impor int dum denumum tts. eks arehe twowo sking guns. gunn one, tone,e, hdwrittdwendwotes s 2016 t20hat every in the obama white house knew that clinton was running an op against the donald trump campaign. that's the first document. the second document is the one that went to one of the lovebirds, peter strzok, saying, look, hil

intelligence agency said iran and russia have obtained information on u.s. voters used to trying to influence public opinion. governments across europe are struggling with how to deal with a rapidly spreading corona virus outbreak france has expanded curfews to more regions its cases surged it comes as the country passed 1000000 infections. nigeria's president has addressed the nation after more than 2 weeks of protests against police brutality muhammadu buhari called for an end to the demonstrations after a day were prison and other places across lagos was set on fire but he didn't mention the shooting of protesters on tuesday. reports from a boot. for days the president has been under pressure to speak to a nation on the edge after meeting the country's top security officials on thursday he asked security forces to act within the confines of law to halt the rising violence across the country who said continue to the. end of freedom as well as the fundamental racist 00 says protect it let's remember this go month mosul has the obligation to protect the legs

so no matter what what intelligence agency has it, we need it, and we need it now.e american people have a right the know about this information that is still being classified. and so, look, we're continuing to work as well as we can, i will tell you that director ratcliffe has been a breath of fresh air. he was on our committee for a long time, he was also on the judiciary committee, and he has been in there doing his best job to try to make sure that the american people have a full picture of what was really going on back in 20 service. and that's -- 2016. that's really the key here, lou, you know, this has always been the key. because it never made any sense why the fbi would pick up a document like this steele dossier that was just garbage and use it. it never made any sense. and so we need all of that documentation from 2016 to get out. lou: well, we also have to look at what in the world the inspector general, who's been lauded by republicans and democrats alike -- oddly enough, to me -- investigating the investigators. the fact that horowitz did not take umbr

intelligence agencies have warned the white house last year that rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer, was being targeted by a russian influence operation according to four former officials familiar with the matter. joining me now is nbc's ken delaney. what have you learned? >> ayman, i have confirmed part of that "washington post" story, the fact that u.s. intelligence agencies were spying on russian agents who were talking to jewel jool and they became concerned that giuliani was being fed disinformation that was being used to intervene in the 2020 election. they prepared a classified report and sent it to the white house. separately, there have been a series of stories in "the new york post" this week based on emails, text messages, videos purportedly coming from a lap top owned by hunter biden left at a delaware repair shop. we are reporting exclusively that federal investigators are examining whether that is the product of a foreign influence operation. of course the russians would be the likely suspect in that as well. the link here is giuliani, because these materials we

should do is directors of central and teeten intelligence agencies should do specializes in human intelligence and is the best of that there is different levels of confidence or is it more complex than that quick. >> so to make decisions is the combination of science and art. and they may come away based on their perspective or experience or approach to the subject matter so the nsa analyst and mike rogers at the time and then talk with the analyst and then they made the decision on behalf of an essay to be at that level. i don't know if that was a consensus view. but i know frequently rightly so in the process and drafting that assessment. and that's what happened in this case. >> we are not talking about a disagreement with fortunes position but that level of certainty behind that. and that those to say it is wrong for those who didn't favor trump. >> there is unanimity that these were the appropriate judgments that the russians were trying to promote so that distinction and to have high confidence and if you word recall the sessions the jamaal khashoggi with the reported

the population believe the protests and are orchestrated by the west and provoked by foreign intelligence agencies the idea of the west as the enemy is widespread in russia likely that sooner or later all bloody regimes come to an end for me the protests and bella roots are a mirror into the future in the mirror i see that one day this will be possible in our country as well but i think the confrontation here will be even harder. what was originally planned as a small concert in a moscow club for a few 100 people will now reach a lot more people via television organizers say the parties and party will continue . by colleague. to give us some background on the story adrian 1st of all all russians really interested in what's going on and. yes they are many russians of course all of the better or worse a sizable russian minority in the country and there's about a half a 1000000 people of. dissent in russia so they do pay attention and they do what's happened they look at the process with. admiration because they are hoping for reforms in the country too and is there much protest music in russia yes t

the cia and many intelligence agencies use over-classification to cover-up bad behavior, there is a risk of releasing the information it says a lot the president is willing to declassify this information. getting this out to the american people is not political as the democrats try to claim. it's about showing people what went on and the fact that the obama administration and others and the irs investigation against the tea party in 2010 were using the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world to go after a political campaign to drastic from hillary clinton's own alleged criminal wrongdoing is a huge scandal. it's government abuse and that's a question for joe biden to answer. >> bill: these documents show that the previous administration had dirty hands on this. >> that's outrageous. you should not say that. there is no proof anybody has any dirty hands. what is going on is in the middle of a political campaign where donald trump is doing well. he is engaged in distraction. this is typical donald trump. the bipartisan senate intelligence committee put out a report signed by the m

plan and action of turkish intelligence agencies they are trying to link. the other such kind of ridiculous story fabricated stories. the 1st report that had been killed surfaced 5 days after his disappearance reuters news agency quoted a technician official who said the initial assessment by texas police was that he had been murdered at the consulate and his body flew now said the country. the saudi concierge issued a denial saying that jamal khashoggi was neither inside the consulate nor in saudi arabia. it also denied that he had been killed in the consulate and said every effort was being made to find him. on october the 6th the sunday consul in istanbul mohammed. invited reporters through reuters to the consulate and accompanied them on a tour to confirm that he showed he was not inside the buildings the console denied reports of an assassination he insisted he had left the building but said he could not prove it because the consulate surveillance cameras did not save images. that. something is going wrong because if someone is missing. you have to prov

in terms of our investigation liz, the american people deserve to know exactly what the intelligence agencies at the time because i mean, my god, look at all the ridiculous leaks of little pieces of intelligence that we've dealt with for the last four years, illegal leaks i would say, and i would say we have whole plethora overwhelming than the fbi or doj had on trump. the fact they had nothing. they had zero. there was never anything on trump and republicans involving russians but yet i'm telling you there are plenty of documents that show that there were plenty of problems with the democrats and what they were doing and russians and games that they were up to and that is the information that needs to get out. elizabeth: yeah. i mean, we've been digging into the footnotes. stuart evans who is in the department of intelligence at the justice department went over to james comey, team, listen this, is politicized. you're dealing with really firebomb material that is really toxic and bad. get it out of there. we kept hearing from the beginning that this was politicized. sure enough we have the p

to secure future has that because this is a very detailed plan and action off the intelligence agencies they are trying to see. the other such from the ridiculous story fabricated stories. the 1st report that had been killed surfaced 5 days after his disappearance reuters news agency quoted a turkish official who said the initial assessment by turkish police was that he had been murdered at the consulate and his body flown out of the country. to saudi consulate issued a denial saying that jamal khashoggi was neither inside the consulate nor in saudi arabia. it also tonight that he had been killed in the consulate and said every effort was being made to find him. on october the 6th the saudi consulate in istanbul mohammed. invited reporters through reuters to the consulate and accompanied them on a tour to confirm that he showed he was not inside the building the. konsole denied reports of an assassination he insisted pushes he had left the building but said he could not prove it because the consulate surveillance cameras did not save images. that something is going wrong because someone

>> the real problem with the fbi and the intelligence agencies is there are no real laws governing them, such laws tend to be vague and open ended. you have issued some executive orders, but we learned that leaving these agencies to executive discretion and direction can get them and in fact, the country in a great deal of trouble. one president may be a decent man. the next one might not be. >> so what do you think about trying to write in some more protection by getting some laws governing these agencies? >> you are familiar, of course, with the fact that i am the first president in 30 years who has reorganized the intelligence agencies in the federal government, the cia, the defense intelligence agency and the national security agency and the others. we've done that by executive order, and i think we've tightened it up and straightened out their problems that developed over the last few years. it doesn't seem to me that it's needed or necessary to have legislation in this particular regard. i have recommended to the congress, however, i'm sure familiar with this, legislation that wou

foreign-intelligence agencies watch our debates as well. they learn, they know about conspiracy theories, about groups the president supports -- about white supremacy groups that the president aligns himself with and -- and takes days to sort of try to separate himself. so, there is a bigger story here, which we've all been saying. is we're not the only ones, you know, freaking out or disturbed by president trump's behavior, national security behavior. there are foreign-intelligence agencies who know exactly, right? here's this group that no one's ever heard of. a white-supremacy group, presumably, aligned with trump. we're going to use their e-mails to go after, to scare democrats. that, to me, is -- you know, that begins with donald trump, in a debate, not condemning a white-supremacy group that some democrats may be afraid of. we don't know who these democrats are. are they african-americans who are worried about a white-supremacy group? old women, who are worried about being alone? so, this is -- they're playing -- they're -- you know,

biggest problem the biggest threat facing germany right now the head of germany's domestic intelligence agency said as well as the days of one use of paper that anti semitism is a growing problem in germany and for a long time we talked about how anderson much is and was back in germany but having spoken to a lot of people here in holland their opinion is it never went away simply become less of a to be you it has become more legitimize through various for rights of far right extremist groups in recent years and that is an issue that needs to be dealt with immediately by thin german society and by politicians as well. brady thanks as always kate. meanwhile u.s. president donald trump is stepping up his plans to return to the campaign trail just a few days after being released from hospital for a week over 1000 infection he's considering holding rallies this weekend in florida in pennsylvania but it's not yet know whether he's tested negative for the virus since his release the uncertainty is also throwing the remaining debates with his rival democrat joe biden into down. as the u.s. presidenti