and there's very little harsh oversight or critical questioning be agency because on the intelligence committee this was a little with war and the armed services committee but not a lot more so i think i think they're in an area of extreme weak oversight and now we see the process will be waging military operations and also reporting any serious congressional oversight so that's i think that's the big concern that the horse with her speech highlights and so so we have an intelligence committee that's the cia basically runs the intelligence committee like you're saying on the cia means is just checking up and judging and grading itself. well it was wrong with the torture issue with other issues in the bush years we say but they were scattershot reaping that went on a bit basically we had said to me the same groups of leaders who will get things who would take notes and never really do it never throw up never ask me questions and never it performed any serious investigation and they would hire people from b. agency as they're the staff of investigators individuals who are looking at jobs back wit

and so if we have an intelligence committee that the cia basically runs the intelligence committee like you're saying in the cia i mean this is just checking up and judging and grading itself. but i think we saw you know with the torture issue with other issues in the bush years we saw it with they were scattershot briefing that went on that basically we had a subcommittee saying groups of meters who will get ratings it will take notes and never really do it never throw up never ask me questions i never performed any serious investigation and they would hire people from the agency as they're the staff and investigators individuals who are looking at jobs back with the same intelligence community and even one notable is flowing right back to the only agency sale where it's a little bit too chummy an arrangement there's our rapid critical detachment. we have previously we go back to the to the sixty's and seventy's the days of william point right for instance our congress really helped the agencies and acquire and criticized large are not even talking about what happened in one thousand s

we're going to go with representative mark thornberry he's on the house armed services and intelligence committees and vice chairman of the subcommittee of

here in the congress both hot and senate intelligence committees are working together and are now completing work on our third authorization bill in a row after a six-year hiatus after which no intelligence bills were enacted. vice chairman and i work closely together as do our staffs. i trust him. he's straightforward. we discuss virtually everything, and i know the same goes for the hipsie, and that's the way i believe it should be. unfortunately, as our intelligence community has made improvements, the terrorist threat has also changed. instead of fighting one enemy, al-qaeda dispersed and its affiliates emerged in iraq, yemen, somalia, and north africa. there's a set of groups in afghanistan and pakistan intent on terror attacks and violence against the united states forces including the pakistani taliban, the haqqani networks. they have learned ways to evade surveillance and have attacks that are difficult to defend against. this includes small arms, command raids like in mumbai, explosives that can be concealed within a body or package that are difficult to detect. we know terrorist gr

he is the ranking member of the house intelligence committee. then a look at proposed epa regulations with congressman lee terry, who is on the house energy and commerce committee. later, trevor aaronson of mother jones magazine wrote an article about how the fbi uses informants to get information about terrorist networks and learn about potential plots. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] host: a headlines splashed across most of the front pages -- poverty rate in the country climbs to 15%. the highest number in 52 years. good morning on this wednesday, september 14, 2011. we will begin with the new census numbers and get your take. call, email, or tweet with your thoughts and you can also contribute through our facebook page as well. "the new york times" and how they framed the issue. here is "the wall street journal" with their head line -- then here inside "the washington post" this morning. blacks, hispanics, and women hardest hit by the economy. the rate for white

the intelligence committee is holding a series of open hearings in order to acknowledge the progress made in the intelligence and national security community since 9/11 and identify areas that need improvement. one area we will explore is federal collaboration with first responders at state and local levels. the bipartisan policy center and former co-chairman of the 9/11 commission, hamilton recently issued a report about our national response to 9/11 over the last 10 years. they found that federal, local information sharing is still not as good as it could be. it's consist tent with the findings of numerous organizations that our nation still requires better integration of intelligence. i urge a yes vote and yield back. also i acknowledge the fact that you were a former prosecutor. i was a former prosecutor. our chairman was a former f.b.i. agent. i yield back. the chair: the gentleman yields back. does the gentleman from massachusetts yield back? mr. keating: yes. the chair: the gentleman yields back. the question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from massachusetts. thos

was made ssible by the support of the congress and by the work and interest of the intelligence and oversight committees. over the past ten years, the congress through legislation and oversight has worked to ensure the intelligence community elements function effectively and efficiently and have the tools we need. the intelligence reform and terrorism prevention act, for example, in addition to establishing the office of the director of national intelligence to lead the community provided a foundation to improve information sharing and e integration of intelligence ativities. the congress has also taken action to strengthen capabilities most notably in the patriot act and amendments to th foreign act which will continue to be essential tools for the intelligence community. terrorism, e intelligence community is called on t provide critical support to protect the nation in many other contexts. proproliferation, regional crisis, reports from cyber, threats to space, and counterintelligence to name a few. i cite these not to detract from today's hearing, but put in to perspective what the intelligence comm

anthony has more reaction from the house intelligence committee. >> anwar al-awlaki was a charismatic leader who inspired people to kill americans. he now has been taken over the battlefield. i'll say this after osama bin laden -- i have said this after osama bin laden and i'll say it now, full kill americans we will find you and bring you to justice. >> the house intelligence committee believe anwar al- awlaki wanted to use poison and sign that i had to attack -- sciaenid to attack the u.s. >>> first responders but it was still too late, paramedics tried to save michael jackson's life. gibson reports from outside the courtroom. >> reporter: he was the first par med particular to reach michael jackson on the day he died. he testified dr. conrad murray appeared frantic when he entered the singer's bedroom. >> his underlying health condition was he did not respond, i asked again what his underlying condition was he said nothing, we have nothing, simply that did not add up to me. >> reporter: he said jackson's body was cool to the touch and that his eyes were quote open and dry. the sing

people sort of see intelligence committees as jury duty. so we have to go into a few. it was an extraordinary time. the height of all of these in washington. bush and the democratic congress. we had ten commissioners, five republicans and five democrats. and they wrote a report that got unanimous consent without splitting too many differences. they get the attention of both congress and the president and his opponent. unheard of. everyone but we were going to fail. deadlock. again, an even number. well, they had mccain and hamilton. both turned out to be moderates. both put in the country first, ahead of any other. they set a tone, and the others chimed in. let's look at the facts. the streets of new york. what are the facts? and when we learn what the facts were we told the narrative. it became evident where were the dots connected. then it kind of forced the recommendations. it was an extraordinary experience both commissions ignore. people think bump weather report. hundreds of commissioners and staff. i pray for the country. >> we have been talking with george wash

in the first joint meeting in the intelligence committee since the joint investigation to the 9/11 attacksn 2002 it is evidence of the partnership between the communities and the vibrant oversight we intend to exercise over the intelligence community because we asked them to do dangerous things and strip secrecy the relationship between these committees. it's in that spirit of cooperation we welcome the witnesses come to american eltriots and he senate intelligence. >> senator? >> thank you mr. chairman and it's a very special thing for us to be in the house and to see these most palatial quarters. in the senate we market a much humbler way, just like you to know that. >> may i quote you? >> you may but i am pleased to have the kennedys meet together for the first time since the 2002 joint inquiry into the attacks of september 11th. i also congratulate you on the house passage of the fy 12 intelligence authorization bill. thank you for the cooperation that has enabled us to pre-conference the legislation. i look forward to senate action and enactment of the ford st intelligence bill after

people sort of see the intelligence committee is jury duty, something they do to get out of something else. so we have to go into an extraordinary time. at the height of all of these partisan battles in washington, with bush and the democratic congress and all of those decisions, we had 10 commissioners, five republicans, five democrats and they wrote -- they came up with the report that anonymous consent. without explaining to me differences, they got the attention of both congresses. they got the attention of the president in his component. unheard of. everybody thought we were going to fail. talking about another commission of congressmen and senators. again, an even number. how are they going to get together? well, they had a leadership of tom kean and lee hamilton post or not the moderates within their own party. those in the country ahead of any other motive. then they set the tone and they chimed in and said first, with look at the facts. a republican or democrat of the streets of new york. so what are the facts? and then we'll fight the politics. when we learned what the facts

we have put a lot of effort into that in the intelligence committee. some of these are greater problems of society, lack of education and lack of opportunity, jobs anad sd so fo. there require whole government responses were -- they require a whole government responses. this broader area of the information has potential. this is not just something that can be handled with public affairs efforts. it requires in many cases real reforms within society's so that extremists are discredited. the fact that the arab spring has resulted in changes to these long regimes and that came about because of the people, because of the popular movement and not because of the violence and extremism that osama bin laden said it was necessary to change the regimes. that narrative has been discredited in that sense. there are other elements that was some individuals still ring true. how do you help the governments of these countries deal with that? >> two comments only i would like to make. i would like to ignores the tremendous work -- this is a tribute to the intelligence

you are a member of the house select committee on intelligence.you to in as much detail as you can, share with us what you have been told about this threat and do you view it as a credible, specific threat? >> one thing i want to assure the american people, this is a bipartisan effort when it comes to the safety and security of the american people. i believe that the administration is doing everything that they need to do to secure the safety of the people. i'm grateful for that. we are working together, democrats and republicans, and the house intelligence committee is a completely bipartisan committee. >> what makes this potential threat different? what in the chatter makes people think it is more significant, more potential to be real than the other chatter you're briefed about all the time? >> well, of course, without being able to give details, there is a level of agreement in the intelligence committee that this threat is one that rises to the level that the american public should be informed. i think that, again, the intelligence community

congress needs more oversight in the intelligence committee.here is too high at turnover and low specialization. the problem with the hill or congress in the sense that there's no incentive structure. the head of the ad committee, you are doing something for a farmer or food -- that people know. if you are protecting us all the -- everybody benefits but not one stage over another so people see the intelligence committee with jury duty that they want to get on something else with high turnover. we have to go into a few. it was an extraordinary time. at the height of all these partisan battles in washington with george bush and democratic congress. we had ten commissioners and five republicans and democrats and got unanimous consent along the way without splitting too many differences and they got the attention of congress and the president and his opponents. unheard of. everybody thought we were going to fail. with the deadlock. another commission of congress men and senators. in even number. how are they going to get together? they had leadersh

was made possible by the support of the congress and by the work and interest of the intelligence and oversight committees. over the past ten years, the congress through legislation and oversight has worked to ensure the intelligence community elements function effectively and efficiently and have the tools we need. the intelligence reform and terrorism prevention act, for example, in addition to establishing the office of the director of national intelligence to lead the community provided a foundation to improve information sharing and the integration of intelligence activities. the congress has also taken action to strengthen capabilities most notably in the patriot act and amendments to the foreign act which will continue to be essential tools for the intelligence community. terrorism, the intelligence community is called on to provide critical support to protect the nation in many other contexts. proproliferation, regional crisis, reports from cyber, threats to space, and counterintelligence to name a few. i cite these not to detract from today's hearing, but put in to perspective what the intelligen

i had the chairman and ranking member of the house and senate intelligence committees come down every come of months to my office and mike hey depp would -- hayden and george tenet would come in, and we'd breath the key four members of congress who had jurisdiction in this area over what we were doing and what kind of results it was producing. so they were in from the gripping. later on when some controversy arose inside the program with the justice department, we expanded that group of four into nine. we added the speaker, majority and minority leaders of the house and senate, and had all of them in, briefed them as well, and then i went around at that point and asked them all at that point, nancy pelosi was in the group, jay rockefeller on the democratic side. asked. the if they thought we should continue the program. they said, absolutely. then i said, do you think we ought to go back to the congress and get additional legislative authority to continue to operate the way we're operating? and the said, absolutely not. and they were unanimous on both points. they were concerned if we

pressing the transitional government to do more to find the missing missiles, but the house intelligence committeehairman mike rogers said the president needs to take much more aggressive steps. >> you know, the united states brings some unique capabilities to this fight, so with their permission, i think, and working with our nato allies, we should be bringing today this special capability to this problem. but, remember, the politics of should we be there and no boots on the ground, and i'm not talking about boots on the ground, big military, anything like that, you know, surge of diplomacy here with the special capabilities and i think we would do ourselves, the region, the world, a great favor by finding, accounting for this and then rendering it safe. >> you talk about should be there today, which implies we are not there today, at least not at the level which you think is necessary, with each passing day and the things floating around and the thriving black market in that part of the world, what are the risks? >> it's huge, we know al qaeda has expressed an interest of getting their hands on

going to now inform a select member select members of congress the defense committee the intelligence committee both the defense committee that's and so the answer is for reassurance of one thing. and there's a lot of concern about notification if we you know after the wedding party incident you wrote about the other body heard about you know it was the can killing of many people by any civilians yes by one of those trees are groups. as jay sock been a net positive or a net negative for america between the the the right of the wedding party killings the you know i would agree the torture everything else and they've been all they were involved in abu ghraib or there were instances of abuse of prisoners and supposedly those people were picked prosecuted disciplined you know it depends on your definition because they've been in effect the killing force that's what they do in the process they have killed civilians accidentally they would say but they will continue to do those because civilians are mixed in with people that are terrorists so what does that create in you know even the leader of j.c.

organization instead of trying to reform it during the joint session of the senate and the house intelligence committee. did it get to the tenth anniversary of nine eleven attack on the united states that general david petraeus the newly minted cia director and general jim clapper the director of national intelligence presented their views general petraeus from the outset emphasized that he was presenting the agency view on the terrorist threat but would look like innocuous slip of tongue and actually turned into a very successful attempt to protect the agency view regarding the cia role these. and its affiliates activities all around the world there was a high expectation of the general betray us would challenge conventional visit. fied theories and minds at langley instead as the speaker of the agency he promulgated yet again ten years old views of the agency and the threats and challenges the intelligence community is facing in the united states turned out of some other stories making headlines across the globe in yemen security forces have opened fire on anti-government protesters in the capital sa

during the joint session of the senate of the house intelligence committee did it to the tenth anniversary of nine eleven it was the united states general david petraeus the newly minted cia director general jim clapper the director of national intelligence presented their views general petraeus from the outset emphasized that he was presenting the agency view on the terrorist threat but would look like innocuous wimple it actually turned into a very successful attempt to protect the agency view regarding various cia role. and its affiliates activities all around the world there was a high expectation of the general petraeus challenge conventional wisdom fied theories and minds plainly instead as the speaker of the agency he promulgated yet again the ten years old views of the agency and the threats and challenges the intelligence community is facing in the united states. being blamed as the main cause of the genes that crashed in northwestern russia and it all came down killing all on board the interstate aviation committee complete that they failed to go around and attempt a second. asce

strategy that's pushing for reforms during the jury insertion of the senate or the house intelligence committee. did it get to the tenth anniversary of nine eleven attack on the united states but general david petraeus the newly minted cia director and general jim clapper the director of national intelligence presented their views general petraeus from the outset emphasized that he was presenting the agency view on the terrorist threat but who would like innocuous slip of turn actually turned into a very successful attempt to protect the agency view regarding the cia role in these. and its affiliates activities all around the world there was a high expectation of general petraeus we challenge conventional wisdom carol supplied theories and minds plainly instead and as the speaker of the agency he promulgated yet again ten years old views of the agency and the threats and challenges there the intelligence community is facing in the united states pilot error is being blamed as the main cause of jeans the air crash in northwestern russia and the temple of on three four came down the killing nearly

the basic issue here is the intelligence committee do not control purse. as you know, agencies will listen to congressional committees that control the purse. currently, the house and senate appropriations committee's fund them through defense subcommittee's and a defense department budget. at a minimum, separate intelligence subcommittees' should be established to fund the intelligence community. i would now like to introduce my cochair, lee hamilton, an extraordinary individual who has done so much for this country over seven years. it was my pleasure to work with him. we would not have the report we have were it not for lee hamilton. [applause] >> good morning and thank you for coming. i recognize there are many in the audience today have contributed hugely to homeland's security and national security of the united states. just one quick snapshot about tom keane. on the very first meeting we had after he was named chairman, and i was named vice chairman, he came up to me and said we are going to make every single decision jointly. i had come out of cong

petraeus and ira going to have an opportunity to do that with a rare joint hearing with the intelligence committee's next tuesday, the 13th. it is the same subject, were heavily, and what we need to do. there is a lot of this going on about the last 10 years. it is obvious to all of us that coeyed at today is not the same of al qaeda 2001. the pressure apart from the s, this steady pressure has had an effect. they're not done. i would characterize them as the wounded in action but not killed in action. we have kept them off balance. we of works to deny them. we have a complicated resources and money. we have undermined their plan to train. we have sent osama bin laden t the fate he so richly deserved. having played a small part in that, particularly those of you who saw the economic picture -- iconic picture, it was one of the most intense and gratifying experiences of my professional career. all of these accomplishments stand as testimony to the skill of many officers in our military forces. our citizens are safer because of this. zell why we have great reason to take pride, we do not have a reason

interrogation techniques and i have that from some of the most respected people in the have and the intelligence committee so i can't thought big cheney for not knowing the truth because he couldn't know the truth he's trapped he's trapped in his own military but the truth is the methods don't work and they rebound to your discredit and they recruit as you said for your enemy dick cheney is asked what would happen if an american were captured in iraq and what would happen if they waterboarding him because they thought he was a threat to the state of iraq and so he just skirted around the question what he really said was if you listen closely americans are better than anybody else in the world. americans shouldn't be waterboarding but anybody else we can waterboard especially if we're americans doing it that's essentially what dick cheney said now here's the kicker about forty percent of america agrees with you poll you look at the polls that have been done about forty percent of america at any given time they think that americans have the right to torture other people and other people don't have the right

free ride problem, everyone benefits but not once a over another so people sort of see the intelligence committee has jury duty but we want to do it again. so i mean we have to go into a few. it was an extraordinary time at the height of all of these battles in washington with bush and the democratic congress we had ten commissioners, five republicans, five democrats, and they wrote a report that got unanimous consent all along the way without splitting too many differences, and they got the attention of the caucasus and of the president and his opponent. unheard of. everybody thought we were in a deadlock and we are talking about another commission, again, an even number. how is it going to get together? they're seeing that and they have a leadership post tom kean and lee hamilton both moderates within their own party but in the country first ahead of any other motive, and the others chimed in and started saying let's look at the facts. as la guardia used to say in the streets of new york. >> so what are the facts, we are going to talk about the -- became evident with the recommendations might w

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we're going to go with representative mark thornberry he's on the house armed services and intelligence committees and vice chairman of the subcommittee of emerging threats so in other words this guy is neck deep in our defense apparatus during a radio show back in august who are very said the first cuts are something in the pentagon says they can live with it's going to be hard but it's the kind of in the bar in the ballpark of what folks have been talking up for a while the second cuts if they were to happen would be devastating you simply could not operate the military with that second round of cuts. so wait a minute you simply could not operate like our military would cease to exist where reason weapons just vanish into thin air and i get it because it affect how operations are done but that doesn't leave you can do some rearranging some shifting of personnel they're called cuts for a reason to make it smaller but not to be outdone is the only member of the house armed services committee working hard to freak everyone out the committee's chairman representative buck mckeon was worried that rou