it was kinind of a gy thing, anand, u a at a meetinint the interfacace, uh, teaeam, i wanted to bringnted to bring in a biologist under the dream team, and they said, "who is that?" i said, "janine benyus," and they go, "who's that?" you know, and it was like, um, they were saying, "like, a biologist?" th--these were engineers and executives, uh--h--half f of whom were also engineers, and, uh, it was a manufacturing company, and it had nothining to do wi p plantor had nothining to do wi p plantor animals, and it was like, "paul, like, a biologist?" you know. and--and i explained that she had created this novel concept called biomimicry, and they nodded, and excxcepting for ray anderson, which, you know, these were good ol' georgia boys. i mean, he's a a good ol' georgia boy, too, but these were good ol' georgia boys, and-d--ad you could just feel it in the room. no one said it exactly, but it was like, "but, well, she's a girl." ha ha! [laughter] i tell you, you could cut it, and, um, and i said, "yeah, she is thehe female part of our species. that's true," and... [laughter] and then