rory it was the interfax news agency that first reported this plane crash. what more do we know at this stage? >> well, interfax wouldn't tell us the name of the source that had given them off of the information. so a lot of things are still very murky about this crash, but we do know this is going to be a huge game changer for this conflict, the conflict going on at the moment between the ukrainian army and pro-russian separatists. already the finger of blame is starting to be pointed backwards and forwards. the ukrainian government is hinting that it is the rebels. the rebels themselves say not them. we have here from the self proclaimed donetsk people's republic, they say the plane was shot down by the ukrainian side. we simply do not have such air defense systems according to the rebels. our man pads -- this is a type of missile system -- have a firing range of 3,000 to 4,000 meters. that was from the special representative and security council member. so what they are saying is that it was most likely that the ukrainian army shot the plane down. the ukr

that's from interfax. now, a buk ground-to-air missile was common in the former soviet union as part of their arsenal. keep in mind ukraine was part of the former soviet union. we have no idea if this is in fact what happened. all we're doing is passing along the reporting coming from interfax via reuters and the associated press and malaysia confirming they have lost contact with their flight over ukrainian airspace they say. back to you. >> and any time you say lost contact with their flight, it's impossible to talk about this story without putting it in the context of what happened back on march 8th of this year. malaysia air flight 370 lost contact. that was the flight that was going from kuala lumpur to beijing with 227 passengers on board, 12 crew members. no piece of debris from that plane has been found to this date. it disappeared without a trace. >> and of course absolutely no indication at this point that there's any relation to that incident, but of course one can't help but think of that in l

news agency has been confirmed by anyone else now doesn't look like at the interfax news agency has been citing a ukrainian news agency corps saying that yes graham phillips has been apprehended by the security services and has been in fact deported from the country with a three year ban on entering ukraine in. in the future however there are some friends of his that i believe we can and will be talking to later who say that there's been no confirmation from the u.k. they don't know anything about the fate of their national and by the looks of it it doesn't really look like the security services are confirming this at this point as well in fact they've been staunchly denying that they even have graham phillips or any other journalists in their custody. i know he's been taken hostage there's no information as we're both there's a bounty on his the ukrainian military don't. you know that was the official line yes to. the facts is to believe there's a. confusion of facts that are put it bluntly. to the circumstances of why he disappeared what he does anyway well in fact he just came ba

interfax citing an aviation industry source as saying this on thursday.is point looks as if the boeing plane was flying from amsterdam to kuala lumpur. reuters could not confirm this report. again this information, you know, everyone is asking about a lot of questions right now. it is, we are told, a malaysian airlines flight, what reuters is reporting. the flight went down according to reuters between russia and ukraine. and there were some 290 people on board. obviously one of the first things that comes to mind, malaysia airlines flight that everyone believes went down in the pacific in the southern indian ocean off the coast of australia that received so much attention from around the world us does appear -- it does appear a second malaysian flight has gone down. i want to bring in mary ski yav vo on the phone right now. mary, these reports very limited as of this moment. all we have is the flight believed from amsterdam to kuala lumpur, the location believed to be ukraine and russia and the number of people on board. is there anything that you see th

interfax of russia, a government-known news agency says it was shot down as well as the interior mince on his facebook page, claims shot down from missile fire, reported by the associated press. once again, also not a trusted source. we have gotten statements from ukrainian government officials in the past related to what's been happening on the border, and some of them have not been truthful. ditto for russia as well. yes, there are reports it was shot down. not confirmed, and not from sources that we trust at this point. back to you. >> yeah. i'm trying to think of the capability it would take to bring down a passenger jet. >> huge. >> we know nothing about the altitude. not an easy thing to do from the ground. >> back to that facebook page of questionable origin from the interior minister, ukraine. saying shout down 10shgs,000 meter, 33,000 feet on this facebook page. phil pointed out, very large page. 777-200 extended rake. >> and tweeted, we are aware of media reports and gathering more information. so with that, as i said earlier, boeing stock is lower, michelle, not out of tone

according to interfax. now interfax, there's an interfax agency in russia as well as in ukraine.ne. it's important to keep that in mind. that agency initially reported a malaysian plane with 295 passengers on board, passengers and crew, i should say, inside ukraine they reported, but near the russian border crashed. the plane was mh-17. a boeing 777. on that scheduled flight from amsterdam to kuala lumpur, malaysia. now malaysian air confirmed losing contact with that plane independently. lost contact on its radar but the malaysian government is saying that it has no further information about the airliner. now that interfax news agency went on to say that the plane was shot down. again, this is a ukrainian source. without give anything more detail, except to say the plane was flying at 10,000 meters, about 33,000 feet, when it was allegedly hit. that it did not enter russian air space when expected, which was around 1725 local time, i believe. instead, it crashed inside ukraine. we know as mike mcfaul just said that this is a very volatile part of ukraine cross border violence ha

interfax, let me explain what interfax is, a non-governmental news agency out of russia.a ground to air missile. we have a ukrainian official in ukraine that says it was a book missile. interfax says it was fired by separatist. that was simply the expression that was used. consider the source for all of this. nonetheless, it has come down in a very sensitive area. all kinds of implications. when this news came out, and this was roughly 25, 26 minutes ago, it turned around to the tune of about 30, 50 points. i want to try to go through some of the other markets for you. i must say, a 16-point drop for the dow or an 11-point drop for the s&p 500 is not and extreme reaction to what may be a political incident in a very dangerous part of the world. i am trying to get you the price of oil. it was up for this happened. i want to bring you the price of gold. look at what we've got. $822 per ounce rally is there. k.t. mcfarland joins us now on the phone. you have heard what we've heard. you know what we know. your inputs so far. >> ukraine certainly feels the same. the russians d

this is interfax, a russian news agency. we don't know this.e can't verify this, but they are reporting that the russian separatists in east ukraine claim they have found the black box. what we are showing you here are photos fed in by reuters where a reuters reporter continue if i weres they have seen hundreds of bodies scattered around the smoldering wreckage of the passenger jet in a field where-in eastern ukraine, emergency services rescue workers said at least 100 bodies have been found near the scene and that the debris from the wreckage was spread across an area of up to 15 kilometers, nine miles in diameter. broken pieces of wings marked with blue and red paint, the same colors as the emblem of the malaysian airlines which lost track of the boeing 777 en route to amsterdam from kuala lumpur that was carrying nearly 300 people. the ukrainian interior ministry official saying all 295 people on board are dead, 280 passengers and 15 crew members as well. that is what -- the late thaes we have. that's what's come in in the last few minutes.

>> we are hearing through the interfax news agency, a separatist news agency saying they have found the black boxes. they were saying they were going to turn those over to the russians once they did find them which raises all sorts of questions about conflict of interest given that the ukrainians and u.s. embassy have accused the russians of being behind the shoot down. >> confirmation from the rebels according to interfax. it was claimed that this plane was shot down. what kind of concern would there be inside the united states government right now that terrorists might take this moment of crisis as an opportunity? >> well, if this crash had occurred anywhere other than on the russian ukrainian border, we would all be sitting here trying to figure out what terrorist group did this. we have never seen terrorist groups take advantage of crises elsewhere. but as the commissioner was saying, we do know that there are terrorist bomb makers out there who have been making bombs. obviously the tsa has changed its inspection regime for flights coming into the united states in recent weeks becau

are your thoughts on that again this is coming from a source in the russian aviation industry to interfax. because clearly good intelligence will be good. speculation to be honest. good intelligence. good news all of the original. you need. your intelligence to be accurate. to say one plane or another. not the. red white or blue yeah that's a really interesting perspective to go absolutely because you know we get this information coming out the president's plane was in the vicinity people are going to jump to their own conclusions as interesting to get your take on that you know essentially this is an extremely difficult thing to do. thank you so much for joining us once again. let's try and speak to another of our correspondents now situated in washington i believe garniture can i think we've got on the line yes indeed we do thank so much to join is going to american reaction and what did president obama have to say. while president obama did not say much he said the world is watching reports of a downed passenger jet near the russia ukraine border he said his priority is to find out whe

for certain or have been i've not heard many people were on board we've got some information from interfax ukraine who say that. all two hundred ninety five people on board have being killed they are quoting ukrainian tear your ministry official saying that but we're also hearing off the words two hundred ninety people on board so we're just waiting to confirm any details when we get it we're going to try and i think peter all over who has been keeping an eye on things as well information coming from from all different types of sources peter can you hear me. yes i can peter what's happening as far as we know we are getting drips and drabs of information coming in we can't confirm anything at the moment where we're getting different quotes what do you know where you are. well what i'm looking at right now is a statement it's just been released by the the malaysian prime minister saying that he's shocked by the reports that have a starting to come out and we're also we've been seeing some what appear to be the first pictures from on the ground where this plane has gone down some of those are

at this point i think that interfax report is a wash. >> pete, thanks, as always. nbc's pete williams there with the latest on that malaysian air flight. >>> let's talk about this and the market response and where we go from here. joining our "closing bell" exchange today, heather hughes, ken moret, bob pisani and rick santelli are standing by. rick, let's talk about market response. there have been other events in the past where it would be hard to point to a market response of any kind but you got it today. albeit a bit muted, but gold was up, bond prices up, the vix up sharply. even wheat prices, so important to the economy in that part of the world, up today as well. what did you make of the response? >> absolutely. i think you nailed it. as i talk, you can see the charts. 24-hour chart of 10s and 30s clearly reveal both were trending towards lower yields before you see the big break just before 11:30 eastern. so if you look at the fact we're at 2.49%, now 2.47, those two basis points. without a doubt the fact we haven't moved off the low yields is due to the t

interfax is reporting that a 777 has crashed near the russian ukrainian border.ility this plane was shot down at an altitude of 10 kilometers. there are very few details available at the moment and we have not been able to confirm this report. as soon as we do, we will let you know. you do need to know that interfax is reporting that a fromsian 777 on its way orterdam to glotta what a lump was shot down. stocks have turned steeply lower in the past few minutes. we will be back when w with mor. ♪ >> live from bloomberg headquarters in new york, this is "market makers" with erik schatzker and stephanie ruhle. >> welcome back. time for one of my favorite segments. -- spreading it on thick with its new ad campaign. will it help spice up sales for the number two hummus brand? here's the ceo. clearly in the last six years, hamas has gotten massive here in the u.s. why do you need a new ad campaign? >> as the challenger brand and category, tribe was looking to do something different. we needed to stand out and increase our awareness. we came out with this campaign to re

interfax news agency cites a ukrainian official internet posting claiming 23 americans were on board. so far, no confirmation of that report. agency isan news reporting tonight that rebels went to call for a three-day cease-fire to allow for recovery efforts. ukraine says russia is behind the shootdown and is demanding an international investigation will stop -- international investigation. >> today's incident is the latest in a string of lane crashes in ukraine brame -- blamed on pro-russian separatists. a ukrainian fighter jet was shot down in a confrontation and a ukrainian transport plane was shot down this past monday. in either case. that was not the case in the june 14 crash that killed all 49 people on board a ukrainian military transport plane. pro-russianms separatists shot down the plane using antiaircraft weapons. the separatists are blamed for a may 29 helicopter crash in which 14 ukrainian military members, including a general, were killed. >> does incidents took place closer to the ground. some insight into what we can learn from this specific incident is lieutenant .ol

look at the dow industrials after 11:00 eastern time, interfax news agency, started to is see the dow move down. cash ca art ashin and i were on the floor. people were coming up saying is this possibly correct? a malaysian jet down in the ukraine? people trying to to confirm that headline. we spent a lot of time just getting the facts right. take a look at heavy volume and some etfs right now. already under some pressure due to the sanctions announced earlier. very heavy volume in this. that's not surprising. one area you want to look at is high yield bonds because high yield bonds do not act like bonds when you have high volatility. they act like stocks. people head for the exits. we've seen some pressure recently in some of the high-yield bonds. here's one of the big ones today. very heavy volume as well. you could see it down fractionally. the vix moving up, at a one-month high, but also coming off it highs. the important point is people kept asking e me, only 60 points on the dow, aren't you surprised it's not down more. assumption on the floor has been all morning that this was s

pro-russian militant groups say they will cooperate, but interfax says pro-russian militants have already taken away the plane's black box which contain flight data and cockpit voice recordings. analysts now question whether an international investigation to help uncover the truth can proceed smoothly. kurando tago, nhk world. >>> u.s. president barack obama says it's likely the jet was shot down by pro-russian separatists. >> evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile that was launched from an area controlled by russian-backed separatists inside of ukraine. we also know that this is not the first time a plane has been shot down in eastern ukraine. over the last several weeks, russian-backed separatists have shot down a ukrainian transport plane and a ukrainian helicopter. >> obama suggested that russia help the rebels get the ability to bring down an airliner. >> we know that these separatists have received a steady flow of support from russia. this includes arms and training. >> obama said the russian-backed separatists and ukraine should adhere to a cea

russia's interfax news agency saying a malaysian passenger plane has crashed on the border.ere are reports of 2990 people onboard. and the plane was said to be from amsterdam. we'll have more as more information is available. for now, thank you for watching aljazeera america. aim del walters in new york, and "inside story" is next. . >> they are the emerging world powers and they're combining their economic hats. the bricks alliance hopes to challenge the western dominated world bank and international monetary fund. it's the inside story. >> hello, i'm a he libby casey. brazil, russia, india and china

government leaders say they'll investigate with the international civil aviation organization, but interfax says pro-russian militants have already taken away the plane's flight and data recorders. analysts now question whether or not pro-russian militant groups will cooperate with the investigation to help uncover the truth behind this tragedy. kurando tago, nhk world. >> that malaysian airlines flight was supposed to arrive at kuala lumpur international airport. nhk world's shoko matsumoto is there now. shoko, what's the latest? >> reporter: family members and friends of the flight's passengers rushed to the airport, but they seemed frustrated by the small amount of information released so far. >> i don't really think anything for us. i've been calling many times, but, you know, they asked me to they would let me now. and so now, i don't have any message from them. >> reporter: malaysian prime minister razak held a news conference near the airport on friday. he promised his utmost efforts to determine the cause of the crash. >> if it transpires that the plane was indeed shot down, we insi

malaysian boeing adeline has been reportedly downed based on a waters and interfax a malaysian airlines flight with about two hundred ninety five people on board has crashed grief spills over his family and friends of those on board m.h. seventeen make it to the airport in amsterdam at the scene of the crash passports strewn among the carnage each one a painful reminder of a person who died and each of those people leave behind friends and family it's in small communities like this one that have been directly affected that the real human tragedy becomes clear neil tall and her partner course children were on the flight outside the flower shop they owned floral tributes pile up those who saw them day on day left stunned we couldn't believe what's happened. rumors spread quickly on the facebook when i came in the morning to see outside and those are the flowers. then you know it's it happened for real in the shop window a sign for the postman drop the mail off next door we're on holiday there were very lovely people and. you know i did want to just to just enjoy a holiday for two weeks an

the -- it was the interfax news agency out of kiev, and it's important the initial -- to know that the initial information was coming exclusively from the ukrainian side. it said that the plane was shot down but it was given no further detail except the plane was flying at 10,000 feets. not low. 33,000 feet, which would require a very sophisticated misil sile take it out when it was hit. the russian air space was -- i should say it was flying through ukrainian air space. it was supposed to hit russian air space at a specific time. that alerted malaysian air to the fact that there was something wrong when it didn't hit at that specific time. i believe it was 17:25 and instead crashed inside of ukraine. now we know, of course, this is a very volatile part of ukraine. there's been cross-border violence between ukrainian armed forces and those pro-russian rebels going back to april. it calmed down a little bit. there was a mini cease-fire, a half a cease-fire. it kind of fell off the radar screen in terms of news because of developments in the middle east. but it has been on the rise again

this is being reported by the interfax us in agency. russian officials at the interior ministry saying that the plane was downed by a ground to aramis -- missile. and the same official says that he believes that all of the passengers and crew members on board have been killed. we have no way of confirming this as of yet on al jazeera, but just bringing you what we're hearing from the ukrainian firms. we have on the line with us now a military expert talking to us about the area where this crash is reported to have happened, and pavel as we have been saying this is an area where there has been fighting in recent days . . . >> you're watching the aljazeera news hour. several rockets have been fired from gaza into israeli communities as a five hour humanitarian truce expired. both sides denied reports they were close reaching a ceasefire. >> if you know release have been held for four palestinian children killed wednesday during an air strike near their homes. 235 palestinians and one israel have been killed in a week of fighting. >> ukrai

the russian interfax news agency is reporting. malaysian an air lines said it lost contact with the plane. it was last seen 80 kilometers west of the eastern ukrainian city of donetsk. christine is at the united states for us. she has been speaking to ukrainian officials about the crash. what more are they telling you. >> the security council has been meeting on libya. and we're trying to get reaction from other ambassadors. we know the russian ambassador left early and alerted media that we were waiting outside to question him about this crash. this plane went down in an area where fighting is happening, they say. the plane was shot down wednesday another was shot down. and they have blamed russia for being blamed for these attacks. whether it is coming from the russian side of the border, or the ukrainian side of the border they can't say for sure, but this is their belief. now russia has denied any involvement in the shooting down of ukrainian military planes. the russian ambassador himself told me we didn't do it. but they hav

and interfax a malaysian airlines flight with about two hundred ninety five people on board has crashed grief spills over as family and friends of those on board m h seventeen make it to the airport in amsterdam at the scene of the crash passports strewn among the carnage each one a painful reminder of a person who died and each of those people leave behind friends and family it's in small communities like this one that have been directly affected that the real human tragedy becomes clear neil tall and her partner course children on the flight outside the flower shop they owned floral tributes pile up those who saw them day on day a left stunned re couldn't believe what's happened. rumors spread quickly on facebook in the morning to see outside then those are the flowers. then you know it's it happened for real in the shop window a sign for the postman drop the mail off next door we're on holiday there were very lovely people and. you know i did want to just to just enjoy a holiday for two weeks and come back and say to pick up the post and i had a great holiday before stepping on the p

to giving us a lot of information about what i curd and also some news just in right now russia's interfax news agency is quoting a source in the russian aviation industry excuse me this isn't quite breaking news we have heard it before that president putin's plane may have been the target of the attack it is claimed the president's jet crossed over warsaw at the exact same height as the doomed boeing just forty minutes after that quite incredible but the planes were said to share of course a similar form on the colors red white and blue malaysia's flying russian's flag as well. ok plenty more information to bring you on this story before we go forward though that's just. because it's not the first time that a civil plane has been downed over ukraine thirteen years ago a similar incident happened over the black sea we've got the d'souza vote no from medina coach the country joins us once again it's it's very sad to be nice to have to go to hear about the tragedies but there are some obvious similarities which people will understand and in a moment you just take has been through two thousan

guidance we'll certainly bring that forward, because until now, we're relying on things like interfax reports, and the twitter sphere and also some ukrainian officials who have put out unconfirmed reports. >> and, of course this kind of tragedy, bob, has happened before. we all recalled when a russian fighter jet shot down a korean airlines commercial aircraft quite some years ago, back in 1980s. and, of course the uss veinincenz accidentally shot down an airliner as well. margaret brennan is joining us here in new york. margaret what are you hearing? >> scott, i've been e-mailing with some sources, some u.s. officials who say it is actually too early to tell. they are looking at what the ukrainian interior minister and his adviser have said they blame the foot at the separatist groups for shooting down this aircraft. u.s. officials are looking at that looking at the reports, saying it is too early to say if the information is accurate at this time. they have been very carefully tracking the type of hardware that the u.s. government believes that russia has given to some of these sepa

have already announced a humanitarian truce will be implemented to allow investigators in russia's interfax news agency quoting a source in the russian aviation industry suggesting that president putin splay now could have actually been the target it's claimed the russian leaders jet went over warsaw at exactly the same height as the doomed boeing just forty minutes later a spokesperson for russia's federal transport agency refused to comment saying it never discusses details of the routes taken by the president and other top officials and data from the flight tracking it service flight radar twenty four suggests that the plane it deviated from its route the route passenger planes normally take over ukraine is this one that we can see on the map right now from. to bed younes but the malaysian plane actually went over a larger part of the troubled country and the reason for the change is still unknown at this time. sergey from the interstate aviation committee says that an international commission must now be allowed to investigate. flaws in lists understanding the difficulty of the situatio

over a larger part of the troubled country and the reason for the change though still not russia's interfax news agency quoting a source in the russian aviation industry suggests that president putin's plane could have actually been the target of the attack it is claimed that the russian leaders jet went over warsaw at the exact same height as the doomed boeing just forty minutes later a spokesperson for russia's federal air transport agency refused to comment saying it never discusses details of the routes taken by the president and other top officials. from the interstate aviation committee says an international commission must now be allowed to investigate. understanding the difficulty of the situation in the area of the incident we consider it necessary to create an international investigation commission which could be established under the authority of the international civil aviation organization and to pass on to it all the flight recorders one after another major carriers are diverting their planes around ukrainian airspace among them the likes of air france. or europe's transport a

now, interfax news agency has said the plane is down. may have been shot down. i want to emphasize that right now u.s. authorities are just monitoring this information and have no independent confirmation either of a crash or the reason for that crash. but we believe as the facts are starting to come in here that it is looking pretty bad, margaret. >> yes, malaysian airlines saying they have lost contact as you say there. do we know what altitude this plane would have been at when it was flying over this ukrainian air space? >> this would have been midway in the flight, or part way along the flight route from amsterdam to kuala lumpur. the airplane the 777, here is a picture of a 777, would have been at about 33,000 feet. that's the safest phase of flight. that's called cruise altitude. at that point the pilots are going along, monitoring systems. it is not nearly as risky usually as a takeoff or landing. suddenly when we look at radar tracking data we see at about 33,000 feet that's the last reported position that some of these tracking

we are also hearing and i have to stress the source of this, but interfax, is saying and claiming that a group of separatists have got the black box, have removed the black box, and now have custody of the black box. the f that's true, and i stress we only have it from one russian news agency, that is an important development. >> if it were a fact when it is pro russian separatist who they are suggesting did this. we don't know for sure. we do know that our team on the ground has had difficulty getting to this particular site. so once again, james, britain calling for an emergency meeting. will that happen within the next few hours or could that take a little bit of time? as you say there are diplomatic wheels that have to turn? there are certainly some countries that will want more information before having such a meeting. as these things tend to happen. you have a president, rwanda, but the real power is held by the five permanent members of the security council, one of those has called for the meeting but watch closely what the others have done. and it is clear what what we heard, t