maybe about nine and a half years, that, then, i occupied the office as the director of intergovernmental affairsi will never forget that day when i came in. i was sitting across the table from stephanie, cecilia muñoz, who--this was her office--she, at the time, was director of intergovernmental affairs; and jon carson, who was the director of the office of public engagement. and it's the first time that i had three people interviewing me at the same time, so i was definitely intimidated being at the white house and being in front of, just, real icons. you know, cecilia had a long-standing career in the--you know, working on behalf of civil rights, in particular, for latino community at--for nclr, now unidosus. jon carson ran field for the obama campaign in 2008, and was just known as, kind of, the "organizer of organizer," and so, you know, given my roots, and, you know, being an organizer at heart, i was just so excited to have that opportunity, and, fortunately, you know, i was hired not that long after. damian: you know, it was those roots but maybe being genuine and straightforward. is that