more on the strength based approach, a person centered approach, more so than identifying the person by an action. and john, should we be looking internally first and, and if so, how do we approach the education of our field first, you know, because as we're sitting here, you know we're talking about how everyone else perceives, you know, their, their moral value-laden approach towards this field. and, and how do we deal internally? it's a good question. i think we have to treat it the same way as we, as we treat out, you know individuals trying to convey the message outside of the field. it's very ironic to me that in the studies that have been done, they've been done a lot of with mental health clinicians actually who are professionally focused in the area of addiction and mental health. actually hold, have been shown to hold very biased prejudiced, stigmatizing attitudes towards people, clever studies that have been done have shown this. so what you're talking about seems to be supported by empirical evidence which always is kind of baffling when you, you know, think about people actually educated in the areas that they're actually, an