mark ellis is the, the director of the international bar association in london. we thank you for your time on d. w. thank you. china's president, teaching ping will meet his russian counterpart vladimir putin in moscow. next week . the visit will be, she's 1st to russia in nearly 4 years. fremont official says the 2 ladies will discuss the conflict ukraine, as well as military cooperation. is signals a strong show of china support for russia as put in place is increasing international isolation over his invasion of the front. so as we said, the visit my president, geez, 1st 8 visit since being reconfirmed as chinese leader, as well as his 1st visit to russia since the invasion. so what should we make of the timing of the visit? i put that question to andrew small, a senior trans atlantic fellow with the german marshal funds indo pacific program here in building. oh, she didn't thing has take conventionally every major opportunity. he's had that these important junctures, ab, since he 1st became general sack 340 to meet with treated and conduct have these symbolic

appreciate and thank dpa and all the other stakeholders in the community, the bar association, the public defenders office and our internalolks, he worked through most of those four years with the different versions of this dgo. i want to say to the public, i know sometimes it seems like things aren't moving and things are stagnated but this process never stopped. that four years, there were constant meetings, discussions, outreach with dpa and others, and it never stopped, but i do want to also reiterate, commissioner benedicto coming in and just kind of saying, okay, we've heard everybody's arguments. it's time to move this forward, so i highly encourage that that be the practice moving forward because we have too much work to do to install dgo's or take four years to get to the finish line. thank you for your leadership as well, commissioner elias. >> i need that energy when it comes to the mou, chief. >> i have one other person to thank, carol lacy in the back who have been at every meeting since she has been in this department about this particular dgo so her expertise and practical hands on knowledge really was help

appreciate and thank dpa and all the other stakeholders in the community, the bar association, the public defenders office and our internal folks, he worked through most of those four years with the different versions of this dgo. i want to say to the public, i know sometimes it seems like things aren't moving and things are stagnated but this process never stopped. that four years, there were constant meetings, discussions, outreach with dpa and others, and it never stopped, but i do want to also reiterate, commissioner benedicto coming in and just kind of saying, okay, we've heard everybody's arguments. it's time to move this forward, so i highly encourage that that be the practice moving forward because we have too much work to do to install dgo's or take four years to get to the finish line. thank you for your leadership as well, commissioner elias. >> i need that energy when it comes to the mou, chief. >> i have one other person to thank, carol lacy in the back who have been at every meeting since she has been in this department about this particular dgo so her expertise and practical hands on knowledge really was he