neil: second amendment advocates that are not moved by discount at international house of pancakes. >> no. neil: i don't even know. they are not to be one over by. >> and you wonder where the decisions are being made. sometimes we have discussions in the green room, we are here in northeast, new york city, manhattan, discussions about people talking very wisely about guns and whether certain peoples should get them and certain people shouldn't and they never owned guns in their life, people in the northeast, i wonder if decisions are made by people that have no idea what -- >> if i hear broad restriction of machine guns and illegal since 1986, but, again, when you start talking about well, you need a license to drive a car, well, you know what, that's not the same thing as the right which is layed out in constitution to bear arms, it is very different and these companies run the risk of alienating millions -- >> kill people with cars as easily and sometimes more easily than with guns. neil: does it trouble you that dagen knows the machine gun laws pretty well? >> yeah. bad combination