joining me to discuss is britain's former secretary, president and ceo of the international rescue committee, fareed. good to be here. >> you gave a speech on the anniversary, one of the anniversaries, of the marshall plan, recently, and you asked the question that some raise, some of donald trump's rhetoric raises and many people in europe are wondering, which is, is the transatlantic alliance over? and, you know, it's a question i think worth pondering, because this was an alliance that was created to fight the soviet union. the soviet union is long dead. do you think that there was a danger that it just atrophies? >> i think not yetead and mustn't be allowed to die. the origins of the transatlantic alliance are in the atlantic charter signed by churchill and roosevelt four months before the u.s. entered the second world war. and it was a charter for post second world war peace. >> so imagine a new world order. >> and more, it determined to learn the lesso of the period after world war i. it determined to say that states need international institutions that mediate disputes. international