over calipers live to gregory copely from the international strategic studies association thanks for joining us good to have you on set i was always. the us was thrown out of a gourd of thousands at the key here saying get rid of these s four hundred systems or you're not going to have this contract for. about one hundred thirty five years which the turkish government was going to buy was the u.s. taken such a hardline stance on this. well basically it's trying to force the turkish government into making a choice between nato on the one hand and alignment with russia on the other the reality is that turkey wants it wants to have an alliance with both sides of the fence and that's not going to be workable as far as washington is concerned actually the whole thing is being brought up to to look as though tookie was going to get one hundred thirty five for a cost of about twelve billion in fact they haven't gotten anything like that of what a small number that had any to deliver and so far no they're still in the united states not yet transferred to turkey there's no question that most

gregory copley is the president of the international strategic studies association in a joint on the line now great to speak to you as always gregory how would you assess donald trump's decision and is the criticism fair. the criticism is not the treaty itself was published at the start really by the international lived in knows that russia itself the line is because the treaty firstly did not violate any capability to ensure that weapon the international trade in weapons would. produce the result which was just it was claimed secondly it did in impinge on the sovereignty of the countries which signed it and one of the things about donald trump is that he is about taking back sovereignty to the hands of the us electorate and that's what he's done with this now you could argue that because the treaty itself was essentially meaningless taking back all revoking the us signature on that treaty was also entirely just symbolic but that was that very important about donald trump reaffirming u.s. sovereignty to his to his support base the treaty itself has done zero to. the international tra

associate professor at johns hopkins school of advanced international studies. i always have a hard time with these acronyms. she serves as the school's thector -- the director of schools strategic studies program and executive director of the merrill center of strategic studies. before this she spent a long time at dod, worked for five secretaries of defense, a number of positions, including on the middle east. have tim pollack. anybody who has been following the east -- middle east and paying attention to the think tank scholars for the last 20 years know exactly who he is. his the resident scholar at the american enterprise institute. he was previously a senior fellow at the berkman center. -- brookings center. he has worked on various middle east issues. finally, right next to me we , a visitingatz fellow at the center for strategic and international studies. he was previously the director and policy in the middle east office. he has spent years in the intelligence community. like i said, i could not imagine three people better equipped to talk about these challenges, especially since they have already deeply on this question of working with partners and engaging in the midd

she is an associate professor of the practice of strategic studies at johns hopkins school of advanced international studies. i always have a hard time with all of these acronyms. she's also in terms of the school director, or the director of the school strategic studies program and the executive director of the meryl center of strategic studies, and before this, she spent a long time at d.o.d., worked for five u.s. secretaries of defense, and a number of different position, including on the middle east, and also in the last position as deputy assistant secretary of defense for strategy and force deployment. next to her we have ken pollock, anybody who is following the mid east and paying attention to think tank scholars for the last 20 years know who ken is. he doesn't need much introduction. an american scholar at the american enterprise institute and brookings center and director of the sabban center and distinguished government career including a couple of tours at the nsc, working on various middle east issues in time with the years at the cia. >> and finally next to me we have brian katz. bria