on the internet watch foundation reports on child sexual abuse imagery fun that europe is the world's worst when it comes to online child pornography the constant hosts run 2 thirds of all confirmed cases with the netherlands having the most offenders political commentator andrea walker former british police officer peter kirk i'm sure their views with us. it would obviously have to be used very carefully and will be used sparingly. there are various things that could be done to minimize the risk of it being spread further but if the aim is to close down and arrest all those using the particular platform or chat room that you're gaining access to then in a way it's sort of self destructs to a certain extent anyway in the united kingdom these sorts of images and videos would be illegal and the reason that they're illegal is not because there's a victim of them because clearly there isn't it in a simulated image but what there it what it has the potential to do is to excite offenders and what we don't want to do is have a government in your producing material that can potentially excite

internet watch foundation charity groups report on child sexual abuse imagery found europe has the biggest problems with child pornography the continent hosts around 2 thirds of all confirmed cases with the netherlands having the most offenders or legal counsel the u.k. based christian legal center spoke to his about that early work as to that sound bite just now but even better we will discuss it with 2 guests let's bring in former u.k. police officer peter kirk a political commentator under walk a very good to see you both. first and we just heard it there are some people objecting to the concept of child pornography even if it's kind of sin to synthesise or fake being used to catch criminals is that a crime in itself or not it would be in the u.k. for a long time now the sexual imagery indecent imagery laws have included pseudo photographs which are would include computer generated imagery and footage so it would normally be an offense the difficulty is that the. the really serious paedophiles operate on the dark web have now started operating in groups or whatever the platform might be

numbertwo image, number one i'm not going to open it, number two i will report the link to the internet watch foundationhere were two people in the whatsapp group who did have the wit to make the report to the police and that is how this unfolded. sol the police and that is how this unfolded. so i think we've got to be clear in differentiating here. this officer is being treated differently because they are an officer, and that's why the public expect the highest standards from serving police officers and retired ones. forgive me for jumping police officers and retired ones. forgive me forjumping in, but should this woman and therefore lose her career because she's had a distinguished career within the metropolitan police, regarded by many as a rising star, for this offence, should she lose her career? in my opinion, that depends. i think this officer, who does appear to have an outstanding and sterling career, has been commended, and i think has been an excellent role model. janet hills? and continues to be. it's all very clinical in terms of people that are just reading the bare facts of the case. the