investec is a little more bearish, although still bullish considering where the pound is trading. each and everyone of you take a very different view on the commodity market. i'm just wondering why everyone is finding it so difficult to find a consensus on how to value glencore, sitting out this morning. maybe they should just go private again -- is that a scenario that you think of play out? marc: the issues that glencore faces, in our view, if this environment continues, and all the many they generate goes into debt -- what is left for equity holders? there are no more dividends to, telly can take more action. at some point, yes, it will be tempting for a long-term strategic partner, along with management, to think that the best places to go private. javier: you think that the metrics they have announced are enough? marc: yes, if they are all implemented to the full extent, they could get glencore to where they need to be. as poor prices. dividend in the equity issue, the easiest moves to make. cutting working capital, standing assets, are achievable but not without ramification