pled because i went on a trip to scotland and tom went on a trip to scotland and tom went to the mar iona islands with jack, i didn't. the question, is that an illegal trip in itself? i don't know. the closest to jack abramoff -- jack did tom's daughter's, paid for the baby shower. tom's former chief of staff received a filtered through million dollars through jack abramoff into some type of foundation or some such thing that ed buckham received. are those all indictable? i don't know. i'm not alberto gonzales. but my point is if a jury in texas in the state, in fact, convicted tom delay, what happened here with the justice department? if these are peanut things as jack abramoff comes to the conclusion, well they couldn't indict bob, i guess we were all indictable or we all weren't. >> let me show you a picture of you standing over on saint andrew's golf course with the group. look at this picture. you are how heavy there? >> well, when i went into prison, i was 234 pounds. i ballooned completely up. i was probably 212 there. >> what are you now? >> i'll tell the truth. i was 168 when i c