chad: the rest is history, but i needed to find a place to live. 1999, ioved out here in had to sleep on someone's porch. emily: there were some people coming here. it, you designed the first paypal logo they still use to this day. chad: i think they have changed it, but yes. do you see your design in the logo today? it is an iteration of what you did, right? chad: of course. what determines how everyone in the paypal mafia went their separate ways? chad: i would meet up with steve and other engineers for coffee on university avenue. everyone had a digital camera. this was right before cameras took off in cell phones. people had video files on their desktop they could not share. that was really what inspired us. smartphones before and high-speed internet was the norm, how difficult was this to get off the ground? chad: because we knew nothing about video, we were not scared. same thing with paypal and payments. if we realized how much fraud and how many other hoops we would have to jump through in the finance industry, we probably would never have started the project. same thing with

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