exclude rapid dynamically change in eyes level but is also true that the same report in chapter 10 the ipc said these are unlikely to occur and that's why they're not included in the numbers. >> i know that. >> i guess the question about the chart you were showing demonstrating falsification of the models -- how you go about estimating what you think is the minimum time necessary for a valid falsification test? >> wealth, we did not. we went on out to 20. the problem is that we can go much beyond 20 because then we start using model data that is too far out in the future. >> [inaudible] >> well, when i see the observed data following that point, 025 an online, pretty much along the entire length of would be really shocked if another 10 years would make it all of a sudden jump in to the trumpet, this sort of trumpet. that would be very odd. listen, i wish i could put 10 years on the clock in at eight. [laughter] and do that but i can't do that. thank you very much. lunch upstairs. [applause] >> patrick michaels is a past president of the american association of state climatologists and cont

in particular i wanted to focus on your citation of sea level rise data from the ipc sea i hope you are aware that only accounted for thermal expansion of the ocean ignores the sea level rise that from the melting glacial ice. and i would hope you stop doing that and honestly account for how the teeth three presented the sea level rise data program like your response specifically. >> it does in fact, allow for the loss of glacial ice, it does not allow for the notion that agreed land will rapidly shed the ice field which is the climate crisis of the day. and in the book this is the notion that jim hansen has popular is that the sea level could rise 20 feet by the year 2100. because the warming of three dreamland will create a water flow under the ice cap that will accelerate. but this is well and good as we point* out in the book a very large study that is indisputable because it is geographical links shows that in eurasia, siberia, scandinavia, , etc., that for millennia, i did not say 100 years, for a millennia, july temperatures were as much as seven degrees celsius warmer than what