i biggest challenge as you take the helm at ipcc?— helm at ipcc?ipcc? i think one of our biggest challenges _ helm at ipcc? i think one of our biggest challenges is _ helm at ipcc? i think one of our biggest challenges is sitting - helm at ipcc? i think one of our biggest challenges is sitting in l biggest challenges is sitting in with the decision making cycle in the climate convention. we are just finishing the first global stock tick of the paris agreement this year and another one in five years' time. the big challenge is to get our reports out and get findings that would actually inform the decision—making process. that is what is foremost in my mind at the moment. ., moment. informing the decision-making - moment. informing the l decision-making process moment. informing the - decision-making process is the moment. informing the _ decision-making process is the whole decision—making process is the whole point of the organisation, to distil the best science to this side global policy. it is the basic problem that we all know the science, we ju

the ipcc is on its six report.ig summits, the world economic forum, have put climate change in the concerns. governments failed to do actions that are commensurate to the challenge. they are still following the safe development model. that have created this crisis. on the other hand, corporations, especially those expecting fossil fuels have spent decades denying that climate change is happening. in fact they have in-house climate experts. but despite knowing that and almost accurate forecast and studies on climate change, now that they have lost another date, the actions and programs are not propria to for the challenge. it is more business than usual. they can continue profiting. you have seen the profits of big fossil fuel corporations reaching historic levels. so shell said they are going back on their commitments made to their shareholders. that means they are not ready to put appropriate actions, they want to continue profiting. >> you were mentioning something about climate nihilism. i want to -- climate d n

the last ipcc report assessment came out in 2014.es we are seeing right now, they are even more extreme than scientists were anticipating?— were anticipating? yes, they are happening _ were anticipating? yes, they are happening faster - were anticipating? yes, they are happening faster and - were anticipating? yes, they are happening faster and at l are happening faster and at higher magnitudes than originally assessed. wow. we have been _ originally assessed. wow. we have been talking _ originally assessed. wow. we have been talking about - originally assessed. wow. we have been talking about the l have been talking about the record temperatures and how they affect humans. what about they affect humans. what about the effect on wildlife? how concerned are the world wildlife fund at the effects on animals around the globe? it’s animals around the globe? it's affectin: animals around the globe? it�*s affecting everyone across the planet including all ecosystems and wildlife. so we are seeing massive impacts in freshwater ecosystems, a

so much for taking the time to speak with us, i want to start off by asking you about this latest ipcc report card for our planet. how does what we are seeing now with the record—setting heatwave fit in with the science that was released in this report back in march? thanks for having me. it was released in march of this year. essentially it was a report card, the fact that we are way off track from limiting warming to 1.5 degrees which was the global target that was set in the paris agreement, and essentially what it said was that we are now experiencing 1.1 degrees above preindustrial temperatures and with that level of warming we are already including extreme weather events which we are seeing play at on our television screens and experiencing daily today. and so i think one of the main findings was that the models have done a good job tracking warming over time, but what is surprising is in fact the impacts are happening much faster and at a higher magnitude than was originally predicted, and so events like extreme weather events are occurring at lower global warming levels than or

so you mentioned the ipcc reports , you mentioned the ipcc reports, the worst case scenario in each setad six sets of reports is what moves towards being the trend outcome come the next report. if you look at what's happening this yeah look at what's happening this year. so for example , it's 0.4 year. so for example, it's 0.4 degrees hotter in the northern hemisphere than it has ever been. that was statistically almost impossible from the perspective of last year . if you perspective of last year. if you look at the extent of antarctic lake ice, if you look at the same for greenland, if you look at the arctic sea , these are at the arctic sea, these are moving in at an extremely alarming direction and moving faster , moving faster than the faster, moving faster than the worst case scenario in the ipcc report. >> but the consequences haven't been what the fearmongers have predicted because the ipcc made it clear that the hurricanes in the us are no worse than they've historically been. we've had wildfires consistently throughout history and therefore, yes, the temperature has been going

so you mentioned the ipcc reports , you mentioned the ipcc reports, the worst case scenario in each setad six sets of reports is what moves towards being the trend outcome come the next report. if you look at what's happening this yeah look at what's happening this year. so for example , it's 0.4 year. so for example, it's 0.4 degrees hotter in the northern hemisphere than it has ever been. that was statistically almost impossible from the perspective of last year . if you perspective of last year. if you look at the extent of antarctic lake ice, if you look at the same for greenland, if you look at the arctic sea , these are at the arctic sea, these are moving in at an extremely alarming direction and moving faster , moving faster than the faster, moving faster than the worst case scenario in the ipcc report. >> but the consequences haven't been what the fearmongers have predicted because the ipcc made it clear that the hurricanes in the us are no worse than they've historically been. we've had wildfires consistently throughout history and therefore, yes, the temperature has been going

it's the un, the international energy agency, the ipcc report made out to have thousands of differentrk, sweden, scotland. this is notjust denmark, sweden, scotland. this is not just a just denmark, sweden, scotland. this is notjust a just topsoil demand, denmark, sweden, scotland. this is not just a just topsoil demand, so many people are screaming out for this, so the easiest thing government can do is follow what is happening in the ipcc report, and to stop new oil and gas, instead of having to meet so many times and put through all these draconian, anti—human rights was to try and stop environmental activists, because ultimately, if we stop, the climate crisis does not go away. you would class — climate crisis does not go away. you would class these new laws is draconian, then?— would class these new laws is draconian, then? ~ , , ., draconian, then? absolutely, and so does the un, — draconian, then? absolutely, and so does the un. so _ draconian, then? absolutely, and so does the un, so i— draconian, then? absolutely, and so does the un, so i think _ draconian, then? absolutely,

and we know from our own data and from the ipcc reports that the warmer our global temperature is, thee to have extreme events such as the heatwaves we are seeing in recent weeks. so we are more likely to get extreme events and they are more likely to be more intense as well. so this really makes these global international meetings even more important for ambitious climate action to turn off the tap to those climate emissions, because every single fraction of a degree matters. according to the data, released today, — according to the data, released today, july has already seen the hottest — today, july has already seen the hottest three week period ever recorded, the three hottest days on record. _ recorded, the three hottest days on record. and — recorded, the three hottest days on record, and the highest ever ocean temperatures for this time of year. the consequences are clear and they are tragic, _ the consequences are clear and they are tragic, children swept away by monsoon — are tragic, children swept away by monsoon rains, families running from the flames, _ monsoon rains, famili

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read the - ipcc reports. richard foord? tracey, ipcc reports. richard foord?we are going to be heading for an awful sort— we are going to be heading for an awful sort of harm that will affect everyone's hell. i awful sort of harm that will affect everyone's hell.— awful sort of harm that will affect everyone's hell. i want to move on to another— everyone's hell. i want to move on to another topic, _ everyone's hell. i want to move on to another topic, sorry _ everyone's hell. i want to move on to another topic, sorry to - everyone's hell. i want to move on to another topic, sorry to be - everyone's hell. i want to move on to another topic, sorry to be rude. to another topic, sorry to be rude —— it will affect everyone's health. it is going to be difficult for everyone, but it will be different if you are living in the horn of africa compared to in huddersfield. let me read you this, folks. can i add one _ let me read you this, folks. can i add one last _ let me read you this, folks. can i add one last thing, _ let me read you this, folks. can i add one last th

richard mentioned how all the various models of the ipcc and others emphasized the role of net negative -- of negative carbon technologies. i keep saying that when i do not in it. reaching net zero is critical. to be more precise, the ipcc calls for the order of six gigatons per year of cdr by mid century in order to reach net zero. within that, roughly or half, they described --. the stakes are pretty big. to put this in context, the six gigatons they model for cdr is larger than the total u.s. emissions today of carbon dioxide. this is not for the faint of heart. we will need a very substantial effort. that is why what rff does and what a few organizations do in focusing our large-scale carbon enhancement, we believe it is essential in getting vectors set for meeting substantial goals. today, in the bioenergy world -- of course, ethanol production is the major activity in the u.s., clearly. we have seen some of this coupled with ccs and we have seen big initiative to try to extend this. but, also average and say, bioenergy contributions to be clean energy transition certainly go beyon

various bodies, the ipcc, the iea, all these sorts of things, they are saying there's premature deathh is a matter of days. and it's a modelling process. that's what it is, just like we had in covid. and as you are aware the modelling are well aware, the modelling didn't go to well with that. 4000 and 4000 people haven't died and london is still one of the cleanest, if not one of the cleanest, if not one of the cleanest cities in the world. and to what the and that's down to what the w.h.0. so and that's down to what the who. so really all of w.h.o. say. so really all of this is a complete sham. and i hope justice swift does actually come to what everyone believes should be and that the ulez a extension should not be. go ahead. okay >> howard cox, thank you for joining us tonight. we have to leave it there. it from leave it there. that's it from me to all of my me today. thanks to all of my panel of course, panel and guests. and of course, you up next is mark you at home. up next is mark dolan. what meat you dolan. mark, what meat do you have on menu for us tonight? have on the menu f

and just to be more precise, the ipcc calls for the order of six gigatons per year of cdr by mid century. in order to reach the 2 or one and a half degree targets that we have. and within that roughly six gigatons, roughly or nearly half they ascribed to beccs. so the stakes are pretty big and to put that in context, that is six gigatons that they model for cdr by the mid century. that is larger than the total u.s. emissions today of carbon dioxide. so this is not for the faint of heart and we are going to need a substantial effort. that is why what are ff does, what we do, what a few other organizations do in focusing on large-scale carbon management, we believe it is essential in getting the vectors set for meeting these substantial goals. the -- today in the bioenergy world of course, ethanol production is -- is the major activity in the united states, clearly. and of course, we have seen some of that and we see some pretty big initiatives right now to try to extend that. but also as richard said, bioenergy contributions to the clean energy transition will certainly go beyond ethanol,

there's no support the no evidence to support the claims of ipcc. it's all claims of the ipcc.real. made in models, not real. >> well, can i just very briefly ask then, sean, are you ask you then, sean, are you happy the that one of happy with the fact that one of the suggesting the things that's suggesting was to pylons over to build a load of pylons over 100 miles worth of pylons to support the whole of support the whole idea of electricity and everything powered electricity? i mean, powered by electricity? i mean, surely that's damaging to the environment. does have to environment. pylon does have to be built to supply energy anyway , regardless energy they're , regardless of energy they're offering to do that. i mean, surely quite detrimental offering to do that. i mean, su the quite detrimental offering to do that. i mean, su the environment.etrimental offering to do that. i mean, su the environment.etmeantal offering to do that. i mean, su the environment.etmean ,il to the environment. i mean, you're with that? you're comfortable with that? i'm not familiar with what you'

continue to expect our climate to continue to increase and we know from our own data and from the ipcc more likely we are to have extreme events such as the heatwaves we've seen in recent weeks. so we are more likely to get extreme events and then more likely they are likely to be more intense. this really makes these global international meetings even more important for ambitious climate action to turn off the tap to those climate emissions because every single fraction of a degree matters. that's exactly what the un secretary—general was saying. it is interesting because we had elections, a by—election in london only this time last week, and of course with a low emissions debate, it sparked a lot of conversations because the conservatives ended up holding on that seat. a lot of people putting it down to that issue. it sparked conversations about whether there was a need to slow down green policies given the economic cost of living crisis. do you think debates like that are simply a luxury when you look at the data and what is stirring in front of you? data and what is stirring in fro

that, he became disturbed at the interpretation being given to the reports being generated by the ipccther itcc and other groups. this book is something everybody needs to read. he is a democrat and is not -- and is not a trump supporter and explains -- it's a little bit of a heart rate but it's well worth it. it's well done but it has a whole lot of detail and it and he explains the distortions and the valuations. his ultimate thing which ties in with other reports that have been done but not ordered is that by the time we get to 2100 at the end of the century, even the worst case climate forecast is negligible, it's next to nothing. he explains how these reports are being distorted in great detail. people talk about tornadoes. they say the frequency is up and he says that's not true and the reason it happens or has happened is that the records they use, we haven't got weather radar to go back that far. nobody for the most part was reporting level zero tornadoes. they are very minor, they mostly don't affect anybody and sometimes they don't come down-to-earth. 20% of the tornadoes rep

even the ipcc, international body's documents point out if you read them carefully they do not see, theircautious, they have low confidence of any linkage of current weather with climate change, they are talking forecasts for half century to a century from now. the hyperbole is understandable but no, they are not linked. today's weather is not linked to climate change. tomorrow, next century's weather may be possibly a little bit. stuart: we have to leave it, which we had more time because this is fascinating, direct opposite from what you read in almost all the conventional media and that is a fact, that is the way it is. you better come back soon. thanks for being with us. always a pleasure, governor of new jersey phil murphy jumping onto the ban on gas powered cars. come on in please. how long do i have to keep driving my gas powered ford f 150? i live in new jersey. stuart: microphone. >> those are. blue when he's putting his microphone on. trying to find it after he fell under his seat. he's doing it as we speak. i think he's got the microphone on. lauren: i am so sorry. i trod on it

this is very well covered in the ipcc assessment report of the risk of more intense extreme events with warmer planet. gerhard: does this actually mean climate change is completely out of control if it ever was under control? samantha: i really hope not. obviously -- [no audio] gerhard: i am afraid we have lost audio there. and we have to try to reestablish this talk with samantha. before we do that, we have some other news. an electric vehicle is thought to have started a fire on board a cargo ship carrying thousands of cars. one crew member was killed and others injured off the dutch coast. officials say the blaze could be burning for days. a salvage team is monitoring the situation. authorities are concerned about oil or cargo polluting the world heritage site. and we can speak to a fire safety expert and managing director in germany. the coast guard says an electric car is the suspected source of the blaze. how can they know and what could have happened? >> i think they expect this from the initial emergency call which was talking about an electric battery or battery car that went o

and the ipcc says climate change might reduce world gdp by 2% by 2050. problem. we've got to stop this fair story that we're in some kind of an emergency thatis in some kind of an emergency that is leading to irrational. we need rationality . we need rationality. >> we're going to have to look . >> we're going to have to look. this could obviously go on forever . we are this could obviously go on forever. we are going to have to draw a line under it. i'm afraid i did enjoy. that's debate. i did enjoy. that's a debate. hey that was, hey good stuff, right? that was, of deputy director hey good stuff, right? that was, of net deputy director hey good stuff, right? that was, of net zero. deputy director hey good stuff, right? that was, of net zero. watch rty director hey good stuff, right? that was, of net zero. watch andrew tor of net zero. watch andrew mumford jonathan mccarthy as mumford and jonathan mccarthy as well big name in the well, who is a big name in the world old climate change world of the old climate change stuff right right. stuff now. okay. r

. >> but they are acting and what was the ipcc was about was about i think it's about 169 nations comingo they all sign that even the united states . i know, even the united states. i know, i know they did. that happened. but they didn't mean it. no. well meaning it and doing it, i think certain countries are doing extremely well. some doing it extremely well. some of the scandinavian countries. but look , you we're coming look, you know, we're coming back bare facts here. and back to bare facts here. and thatis back to bare facts here. and that is that what we started with. to be a real with. it's going to be a real problem going forward for health, for agriculture, for other things. so we've got to go in that direction. >> we hear you very clearly. thank thank you very much thank you. thank you very much indeed. i've got a quick farage the ernest at. the farage from ernest at. >> hello, nigel, it's ernest here. and i just wondered why why ukip had the at the other main party is panicking . main party is panicking. couldn't they sort out their differences . ukip let them off differences

. >> but they are acting and what was the ipcc was about was about i think it's about 169 nations coming to they all sign that even the united states . i know, even the united states. i know, i know they did. that happened. but they didn't mean it. no. well meaning it and doing it, i think certain countries are doing it extremely well. some of the scandinavian countries. but look , you know, we're coming look, you know, we're coming back bare facts here. and back to bare facts here. and thatis back to bare facts here. and that is that what we started with. be a real with. it's going to be a real problem going forward for health, for agriculture, for other things. so we've got to go in that direction. >> we hear you very clearly. thank thank you very much thank you. thank you very much indeed. i've quick farage indeed. i've got a quick farage the farage ernest at. the farage from ernest at. >> hello, nigel, it's ernest here. and i just wondered why why ukip had the at the other main party is panicking . main party is panicking. couldn't they sort out their differences . ukip let them off

that's known in the north sea and did it all at once, we'd still meeting still be more than meeting our ipcc our ipc so, rgets. still be more than meeting our ipc so, james, on you. so this is >> so, james, on you. so this is about having a wedge issue, a point difference. alex point of difference. as alex said, there a lot of people can't tell the difference between the tories and the labour a clear labour party any more. a clear difference on ulez the tories are seeing opportunity. see, are seeing an opportunity. see, this will go this is something that will go down because while the down well because while the principle saving planet, principle of saving the planet, of we all agree with the of course we all agree with the cost, the personal cost to households is what is hurting people and making them reconsider their electorally. this is canny politics, isn't it? >> so i want the conservative party to lose the next election and be punished for running the country extremely badly for the last 13 years. so if they did do this, i would be happy in electoral terms because currently there aren

we've seen with the ipcc, we've we've seen increases in heat waves. flooding or droughts or hurricanes or tornadoes now. so, okay, we're getting we're getting a couple of a couple of phenomena become have become slightly more common and a load of other ones have now that's that's you know that's what you'd expect just from natural variability from things changing all the time on their own now . all the time on their own now. andrew not in the time scale you're talking about, not in that timescale . we're talking that timescale. we're talking now the last 20, 30 years of you, one of you, the fact is we haven't seen it yet. so when you point to weather events in roads or florida, you're not really proving anything. you can't tell anything about the climate from anything about the climate from a few weeks or a few months of weather events. so andrew, what do you say about the sea temperatures measured not just even off the west coast of ireland, five and six degrees more than they should be. i mean, this is global. this isn't just 1—1 little piece of the

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said we have to get off hydrocarbons now, and how do you say that with a straight face >> even the ipccto unwiped the hydrocarbon consumption, and they have that unwinding over decades, and it's not immediately. incremental green investment this year is over 15 trillion -- excuse me, in decade that's a lot of investment that is needed and we don't even have the metals production, and there needs to be a big rotation of capital in the space to be able to accommodate the increases required this will be one of the biggest investment endeavors ever ventured on, and we have not even started >> maybe things will start going up >> that's what needs to be happening. we're back to the same environment we were two years ago where tech is driving everything and energy in is the backseat >> will we see blackouts >> i will not go there, but you get a hot summer in europe, places like france and that comes with the nuclear, and you get a drop in wind, the production, those types of shortages could occur again. >> all right jeff, thanks seems like we are ostriches, and we are saying we need this and i

major risk to the financial system in 2021 said climate change is an emergent threat recently the ipcc said within the range of possible temperature rises, global economic losses came up to $23 trillion per year. are these numbers material? are significant to the economy. what is material is investors in public companies are today at making decisions on climate risk discussions were trying to bring consistency to that because is it clear disclosures would bring them to hedge those risks? >> that is certainly our comment file we have thousands of investors have said that to us. i'm assuming this is just your familiar with the term information asymmetry? what yes i am very much so. there is a report from nature climate changes in real estate in the united states is estimated to be overvalued by 121 -- $237 billion due to unpriced flood risk driven by climate change with low income households facing the greatest risk of losing home equity as was the case in the housing crisis. could you speak to how the proposed rule would address the information between folks who are aware they are overp

major risk as -- in 2021, f stop said that climate change is an emerging threat, and recently the ipcc said that within the range of possible temperature rises, global economic losses could account for 23 trillion dollars per year. are these numbers material? >> they're, they are significant to the economy. but what's material is that investors in public companies, are today making decisions based on climate risk disclosures. and we are trying to bring some assistance into. that >> is it your view that clear disclosures would help investors to hedge those risks? >> i that is certainly what our comment file, that we've had thousands of investors who have said that to us. >> okay, i'm assuming this is a. yes you're familiar the term information asymmetry. >> yes, yes i am very much. so >> okay. there was a report from nature climate change recently, that said that real estate in the united states is estimated to be overvalued by 121 to 237 billion dollars, due to an priced flood risk caused by climate change, with low income households facing the greatest risk of losing home equity. as w

well, in this case, these awful fires that we're looking at, john, the latest ipcc report, i'm going to read what it says, because i don't want to mess it up, concluded that the signal of climate has not yet climate change has not yet emerged beyond natural variability for the following. >> and they talk about phenomena . they say they're river . they say they're saying river floods, landslides , droughts, floods, landslides, droughts, severe , sand and dust severe windstorms, sand and dust storms , heavy snowfalls. so storms, heavy snowfalls. so they're not attributing everything that's happening to the weather, to to the the climate change. >> so could you tell me what date that that quote , the date that that quote, the latest, the report, the latest one that what i don't i don't recognise that one because i was looking at the graphs and it clearly showed that the risk for those extreme events are much , those extreme events are much, much higher now than they than they were previously . they were previously. >> so, you know, this is a probability because we know that weather is w

and the ipcc saw the saw this and, and put their messages out at the last cop to say exactly what isan see it in its rawest form. i really actually believe we're at a tipping point. so the denying side, i think, is for different reasons. often and often for quite selfish reasons, maybe financial reasons , reasons that they say reasons, reasons that they say what they say . but it's what they say. but it's a discussion that should be had. am i worried ? yeah. i think am i worried? yeah. i think you've got to have a concern. worries probably a bit too strong. but i think we have to have a concern that the siren voice a very loud and they're voice is a very loud and they're out and my community, the out there and my community, the scientific community and i think most of the population understand what's going on. and we have to do things about this , albeit albeit in in an evolutionary way rather than a revolutionary . i think we're evolutionary way rather than a revolutionary. i think we're a bit late for the revolution. i think the i think the war's already started, if that makes sens

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i have been following this for decades and read copies of the ipcc report going back to the 1990's and many of the things there are new surprises forecast very clearly the amount in the amount of extreme variability between dry and wet periods, heavy and light rains, increase in storm risk. none of these things are surprises. we had enough information for a long time. my suggestion at this point is that we debate to get as far toward adopting it. the government is not currently functioning in the way that protects the rights of future adults. the republicans have focused all their attention on dealing with the unborn on the fetus until it is delivered and there is no thought in their legal vision the rights of future adults that were born by the will of their mothers to live in a climate that is like hours or better. they have no rights under our system. person does not include unborn future adult voters. only to grant some kind of person hood to a fetus and not enough to protect the climate. they need renne regulatesal rights amendment or to debate it or let the public know that there