the ipcc report is huge. i've read what it is. the ipcc report is huge .to huge. i've read most of it, to be honest with you. there's no there's no there's no there's no misdirection in here from the ipcc. make it absolutely clear. and thing to say and there's another thing to say . we're talking about we're talking no . we're talking talking no, no. we're talking about and about meteorology and climatology. i know the difference. working difference. i've been working in meteorology for 40 odd years. i know exactly what the difference is and what climate is. i'm not sure a political pundit like yourself, lewis , necessarily. yourself, lewis, necessarily. >> oh, i'm not allowed to have an opinion. >> you're allowed to have an opinion. but you're on my subject. i'm not quite sure where coming where you're coming from, though,not my subject. where you're coming from, tho isn't|ot my subject. where you're coming from, tho isn't youry subject. where you're coming from, tho isn't your predominant >> isn't your predominant subject for subject like predicting for

and that's ipcc. that's according to the ipcc. and nasa their data .asa supplies their data. >> yeah. so, jim, what do you say to that? yeah i just say, how bad does it have to get before and maybe yourself before lois and maybe yourself actually say it? >> actually says there is a climate change element within this. i mean, we've got to look globally and not just of what this is our turn , if you like. this is our turn, if you like. the floods are our turn. you go and the people in those and ask the people in those flooded areas the uk, of flooded areas of the uk, of which there are many and it's building becoming building up. it's becoming a major, three major, major story. three deaths. you ask them whether there's climate change deaths. you ask them whether there's in climate change deaths. you ask them whether there's in this. ate change deaths. you ask them whether there's in this. don'tange deaths. you ask them whether there's in this. don't ask> deaths. you ask them whether there's in this. don't ask nasa involved in this. don't ask nasa who ar

and the term has now made its way into the most recent ipcc report on how to stay below 1.5 degrees celsiusproach that has been widely considered is decoupling, where you get to maintain economic growth while reducing carbon emissions. kai: where i live in the u.k., it's very proud of itself, because it claims that it's managed to successfully decarbonize its economy, while gdp -- well, it's not doing well, but gdp is growing slowly, while our emissions appear to be going down. reporter: surprisingly, especially countries with advanced economies, have been able to do it, for example, by shifting towards renewable energy sources. like denmark, which reduced its consumption-based emissions by 35% between 2000 and 2019 while growing the gdp per capita by 16%. germany reduced it carbon emissions per capita by 24% in the same time frame while growing 26%. and even the united states did the same. which sounds great, and definitely is a first step, but the problem is that decoupling is only concerned about co2. kai: we live in many ecological crises, not just one. it's not just an issue of fossil

as per the ipcc we need to be carbonising billions of tonnes, so this isjust need to be carbonising billionsis is just effectively one tool we could use to help us reach those targets. i one tool we could use to help us reach those targets.— one tool we could use to help us reach those targets. i am looking at the number. _ reach those targets. i am looking at the number, the _ reach those targets. i am looking at the number, the iae _ reach those targets. i am looking at the number, the iae says _ reach those targets. i am looking at the number, the iae says they - reach those targets. i am looking at the number, the iae says they are l the number, the iae says they are north of 35 billion tonnes a year, you would take 500 tonnes out, it's a start, but there needs to be further development. crucially i posed this question in the production, it needs to be affordable and efficient, how would you bring the cost down? absolutely, efficien is you bring the cost down? absolutely, efficiency is key. _ you bring the cost down? absolutely, efficiency is key, that _ you bring the cost down? absolute

in 2007 after another ten years of the fight when the ipcc said just like the scientists told you in 56 and 79 happening and we are the ones responsible, across the board republicans, democrats, independents, they all wanted action to be taken on climate because everyone has to go out even if it's just to get in their car so it's something that units everybody. action done by the fossil fuel people and their scientists was just to stand in the way of our opinion basically. >> ugsometimes disasters, environmental disasters wake people up as we are here this afternoon. our hearts go out to hawaii, what's happening in maui, 80 dead, largest natural disaster in history and you can almost feel more of these coming, you can just feel it and, in fact, the reason we have an epa in 1970 was the santa barbara oil spill and everyone -- it was colored tv like walter, news broadcast went color in 1967 for the first time so in color in your living rooms you're seeing paradise, santa barbara, california with tar balls and gew, bird stuck in oil and nixon first minimized it. first instinct was not t

so why did you at this age my belief this is the ipcc report which says can we just go back?et you get away with saying this about what you fiona knew she was coming on the show to talk about your audience . to talk about your audience. >> your audience deserves to know the truth. you are lying when you say it's about beliefs, fiona. about science. dale. dale vince, what i'm doing. i'll go back to your question. thank you . what i'm doing. i'm doing what i'm doing as a retired teacher because i have always loved children and i don't want them having the kind of future that you obviously don't care about because we've got children here caught up all over the world in floods and fires and extreme weather, and your leader is giving out new oil and gas licences like confetti and lying about energy security. >> dale, vince , dale, vince, >> dale, vince, dale, vince, fiona funded just off oil. he stopped funding. just stop oil because he says these protesters protest don't work. so you're not actually doing any. well, that's fine. >> that's that's his opinion. you can have an opini

and when people actually read the ipcc report, not the cover note or the press release, but the reportt, they actually admit that in the report as well. so, yeah , i report as well. so, yeah, i don't agree with him at all. >> and 2080, i mean, look, you know , we can't even predict the know, we can't even predict the weather tomorrow and get that right. so how jim , how is 2080? right. so how jim, how is 2080? how are we able to do that? 2080? well, first of all, i'll tell you what the weather is tomorrow so i can get the absolute you probably got it wrong, though, jim. >> no, no, no. look dry, sunny, cold, the of it. cold, all the rest of it. >> could have told you >> well, i could have told you that. dry, cold. you that. dry, sunny, cold. you literally, that literally, literally. that is everything. being dry, sunny, cold. haven't cold. the only thing you haven't said wet. cold. the only thing you haven't saitwell,et. cold. the only thing you haven't saitwell, it's not wet. that's >> well, it's not wet. that's probably will be in high pressure. look, pressure. but anyway, look, peopl