beacon falls, connecticut on our line for end the pents from mow -- from on on our behind for ippedz pents. go ahead. caller: how can we call it capitalism when we bail out the big banks an big insurance companies? guest: that was exactly the point i was trying to make is that these lines of capitalism and socialism have really been blurred. we would like to see -- many americans want to he see these things as very bright lines. they're not. the critical policy question is what should the role of government be, and i think one of the problems is that we have a government doing what it should be doing and not what it should be doing and doing what it shouldn't be doing, and so under the label of capitalism or socialism, we we are have really not directed the questions where they ought to be. for instance, in my own mind, it is very important that the government have responsibility to make sure that everyone has a certain basic level of social protection, and access to health insurance, particularly children, but it wasn't until very recently that we said children ought to have the right to