people forget when i came back to the white house, it was the depth of iran contra, when howard and i came. ronald reagan's poll ratings were 37%. it was not viewed as a lame-duck , but a dead duck. we were going to be floating by and not much would get accomplished. we had lost the senate which we had held for the first time in 25 years. the first six years of reagan. we had democrats under tip o'neill. ronald reagan decided we were going to demonstrate to the american people that it was absolutely viable to get things done in those last four years. in order to achieve that, reagan believed we needed legislative victories. he was criticized in the first term, and reagan's answer was how can i negotiate with the soviets? they keep dying on me. [laughter] until he met with gorbachev and he walked away at reykjavik, and that set up the arms control negotiations in washington and moscow that led to the inf treaty. but we focused on the big things . with congress, reagan had a reservoir of goodwill, in spite of iran contra, because the american people wanted to believe and trust ronald re

iran-contra, whitewater.former speaker has retained is clearly experienced. he knows what he's doing. >> he's in a storied firm it brees barack obama as a young lawyer met michelle obama. it's an interesting choice. again, tom green has been around for a long time. he represented a senator back when i prosecuted anymore the 1990s. >> you were a federal prosecutor at the time. >> i was with the department of justice. he's tenacious. he's a fight-the-case lawyer and that's a surprising dmois a case like this which a lot of people expect a plea. because if you fight this case all this alleged dirty laundry about speaker hastert is going to come out. >> so the best for speaker hastert, presumably right now would be to cop a plea, is that what you're saying? >> to make some kind of deal. that is what will happen. it will be interesting to see. the department will offer something. the big issue will be whether they will insist that speaker hastert do some kind of prison time as a result of a plea bargain. almost ce

washington attorney thomas green who's represented others in national scandals from watergate to iran contra. the misconduct was sexual in nature with a male student at the illinois high school where he taught for 16 years. the identity of individual a remains a mystery, baffling many of hastert's former students. you don't believe it? >> not at all. i never had any problems with him at all. >> reporter: the man who was once second in line to the presidency is out on 4500$4500 bail. >>> nude photos of celebrities were leaked online. according town sealed court documents authorities were able to link the breaches to a single computer owned by emilio herrera. almost 2500 icloud accounts were targeted. >> in the west we've cooled it off. temperatures are unusually cool in some spots especially the desert southwest. this unusual low spinning off the california coast for this time of year. we have light rain from the san francisco area to sacramento up interstate 80 and numerous showers and downpours throughout the intermountain west here too. there's some active weather out there, though not a l

there is a story about the reagans itel of the book during the iran-contra scandal he was there visiting his father after dinner in the west sitting hall and the butler came over with a platter. he was telling his father how angry he was about the scandal in kind of berating him. all of a sudden he turns around and the butler is standing up for what the plate of cookies and rob.my god this person has heard -- does that make headlines and here i am attacking my father about the iran-contra. his father said don't worry about it. it's fine. it's not that is just a butler, that he is there to serve and he will not talk about this. they have to trust. if they could trust the staff, life would be miserable. it's the only place you can be alone on the second and third floor of the white house. i thought that was an interesting story and it's interesting that some first lady is want this document or report to be very priest team. like nancy reagan and probably not to be bothered. i think we can all relate to that in a way. but anyway, it's a really interesting angle. i think they do set the tone

he worked be richard sea ford the army general of back in the iran contra days. represented people in watergate and in white water also helped with former senator in the wake of his ethical scandal having to do with charles keating. so he is a veteran of these things he also has not liked the prosecutor said very much about this case. very little from him. >> appreciate it, thank you. from los angeles. michael, thank you, two convicted killer whose broke out of a new york prison are still on the run and authorities acknowledge they could be anywhere by now. the focus has turned to the possibility that someone helped with the daring break out. investigators are focusing on prison employees and contractors doing maintenance work to see who may have helped two convicting kill canners with their escane. this prison worker joyce mitchell was questioned as part of the probe. the escape is the first in the lynn con correctional facility 170 year history. >> we with do not know if they had access to a vehicle but we presume they may have had access to a vehicle. as well

attorney thomas green, who has represented defendants in other national scandals, from watergate to iran contra. >> whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. >> reporter: but the outrage is about much more, as law enforcement officials tell nbc news the misconduct hastert allegedly tried to cover up was sexual in nature with a male student at the illinois high school where he taught for 16 years. the identity of individual "a" remains a mystery, baffling many of hastert's former students. >> i don't believe it. not at -- not at all. i never had any problems with him at all. >> reporter: tonight the man who was once second in line to the presidency is out on $4,500 bail. hastert said nothing as he left federal court this afternoon. if convicted he faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine for each count. lester? >> gabe gutierrez in chicago tonight. thank you. >>> some pretty anxious moments in our halls of power today when bomb threats forced evacuations on capitol hill and in the briefing room of the white house, where the president and first family were home and stayed inside the building even

so we had a brief period that i labeled the era of distrust starting in the iran contra scandal in 1987 house and senate intelligence committee on every single vote they have was strictly along party lines. that didn't happen in the earlier era with the exception to nicaragua goes the purpose as well but now everything became partisan. and then with 9/11, we entered into another which i call the era of ambivalence because even now republicans which tend to be for the community during these earlier areas they were becoming more skeptical about the effectiveness of these agencies. they couldn't warn us about the 9/11 attacks. they got to be wmd hypothesis from iraq so now you have some criticism coming from the republicans as well. and this latest era that you referred to which i think dates back to snowden i'm calling the era of free balancing where republicans and democrats and the like are saying wait a second, maybe we've gone too far in the security side of the equation and maybe we need to move back toward the liberty side. you see that in the house vote on the u.s. freedom act. you

reagan was way down after the iran contra affair. bush 41. harry truman was a great example.hink he should go right at the top of the list. charlie: the top of the second list. george: right. obama ran for office saying he was going to end the wars in afghanistan and iraq. they're not over but they're coming to an end and they would have gone on for much longer but for him. now his critics are saying well, let's get into war in syria, bomb here, attack there. in we didn't have obama i think we'd be in several wars now. so that's the first point. it's hard to get credit for a negative, that you didn't do something that someone else might have done. charlie: when his opponents say that the problem in iraq is that he did not negotiate hard enough to keep american troops there, even after the decision to pull out had been made, you say what? george: the iraqi governor -- government wouldn't do it. charlie: but they say he didn't try hard enough. george: of course they did. you can say that about every human effort. charlie: do you think he wanted it bad enough? george: i think so

bushes were fine with you being there and is a story about the reagans that on the book a dying the iran contra scandal ronald reagan was there visiting his father and it was after dinner there in the west city hall and the butler came over with the platter. mom was telling his father how angry he was about the scandal and parading him. and all of a sudden he turned around and is butler was standing there over shoulder with a plate of cookies. ron .-dot this person -- this would make headlines'. here i am attacking my father. his father said don't worry about it. it's fine. is there to serve. he won't talk about it. they have to trust. if they could not trust the staff life would be often miserable. as miserable. as the only place where you can be allowed. so i thought that was an interesting story and is interesting, what you say some 1st ladies want the 2nd and 3rd floor to be very pristine, like nancy reagan and probably not to be bothered. and bothered. and i think we can all relate to that in a way. but anyway, no it's an interesting angle the 1st lady angle. they do set the tone in a lot

hired top white collar crime defense attorney thomas green whose experience includes the watergate, iran-contra and whitewater investigations. carol, thank you for joining us. give us a sense of everything today, what hastert looked like, everything. >> you know, denny hastert, as you know, chris, is a big hulking guy, but he walked in a thinner more stooped man. he kept his eyes down even in the courtroom. he was quiet. he was, as you would expect with these charges, somber. but it was someone who looked a bit more bent and a bit more broken. >> what about the media scrum out there? i never saw so many people. i guess i have. but for a case like this to see this many reporters and cameras, almost like running the gauntlet there. they weren't letting this guy through. >> chris, you have to remember this is illinois, this is chicago. the last time we saw that kind of scrum, it was for the two different trials of governor rod blagojevich, before that governor george ryan. we've seen mighty and powerful politicians walk through the lobby of this federal courthouse. and in chicago, that's a story t

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so we had a brief period that i labeled the era of distrust starting in the iran contra scandal in 1987 going up until 1992. so i called up the era of partisanship where the house and senate intelligence committee on every voter they have was strictly along party lines. that didn't happen in the earlier era with the exception to nicaragua goes the purpose as well but now everything became partisan. and then with 9/11, we entered into another which i call the era of ambivalence because even now republicans which tend to be for the community during these earlier areas they were becoming more skeptical about the effectiveness of these agencies. they couldn't warn us about the 9/11 attacks. they got to be wmd hypothesis from iraq so now you have some criticism coming from the republicans as well. and this latest area that you referred to which i think dates back to snowden i'm calling the era of free balancing where republicans and democrats and the like are saying wait a second, maybe we've gone too far in the security side of the equation and maybe we need to move back towards the liberty

remember reagan was way down after the iran contra affair. >> rose: bush 41. bush 41.arry truman was under 30% favorability when he left office now he's at the top of the list. >> rose: the top of the second list. >> that's right. but obama ran for office saying he was going to end the wars in afghanistan and iraq. he tried very hard to do it. >> rose: they're not over. they're not over but coming to an end and would have gone on much longer but for him. now you have his critics saying let's get into the war in syria let's bomb here, let's attack there. if we didn't have obama eng we would be in several wars now so that's the first point. it's hard to get credit for a negative that you didn't do something that someone else might have done. >> rose: when his opponents say that the problem in iraq is that he did not negotiate hard enough to keep american troops there, you know, even after the decision to pull out had been made you say what? >> the iraqi government wouldn't do it. >> rose: but they argued that he didn't negotiate, he didn't try hard enough. >> of course t

now that led actually to unforeseen consequences with iran contra.it's really a tricky situation to know really what steps to take. what to do. it's kind of damned if you do damned if you don't. >> charlie in terms of news outlets. and one assumes that this in some ways could put even more pressure on them at least financially to sort of reconcile and get their guys back. i mean the door is now open to paying -- the government is not going to be paying the ransoms. well, who has the resources? it is an extraordinary burden for families to shoulder. one would assume the atlantics and the global post will sort of have to step in. >> well i think news organizations have always held to a policy. the bbc being sort of the standard bearer on this that they will never pay ransom for someone whose been taken and i think it's important for news organizations to come one their own policies but i this i collectively we have to stand strong. we have to take the murder of jim foley and so many other colleagues we've seen taken hostage and killed. we have to use t

we learned late yesterday that hastert hired his attorney who has defended the iran contra.got a glimpse of denny hastert leaving his home for the first time. it is desperate seeing radio silence coming from his team even though he's hired a very successful attorney. >> i would think in this case -- everything about this case tamron, has been strange and even a little bit bizarre. usually a lawyer surfaces to say no comment even through an e-mail or something. the appearance of thomas green as lead counsel was just filed late yesterday, so either they wanted to keep it quiet or hastert took his time in arranging his legal representation. >> and it is interesting, as we've noted, there are now questions about not only these allegations of mr. hastert's actions with this money as noted by the fbi in this indictment but also how he was making his money since leaving congress to be able to pay this kind of quote, unquote, hush money or alleged hush money. >> what he was doing is he cranked up his lobbying business. one side note of this is that this indictment shows how, when yo

which an attention to detail he blew up in his face and either he would acknowledge this was in the iran contra scandal. he was concerned over the fate of the american hostages. he entered the white house while there were 52 american hostages held in iran and he made a big deal for not affecting the release of the hostages. his account of the hostages were at least on the day that he was inaugurated over the course of the next few years of several americans were taken hostage by hezbollah which was supported by the government of iran and they became involved in the negotiations to attempt to believe the hostages. even the details of sending weapons to tehran in the hopes that it helps bring the american hostages. now here in going to tell you the other choices are used. i accessed a diary and it's clear that he understands the connection between the shipments to iran into the release of the hostages. time and again time and again he writes okay so the current plan is we send them a new shipment of antitank missiles and they release the two hostages. now in fact it's always written in the future

legislation t.p.a., there was more security around this piece of legislation than there was the iran-contra nuclear deal, the iran nuclear deal that we were talking about. my staff could go there they could take notes we got briefed, we were able to ask questions. we couldn't even take a note or take a note out. and they're telling me, well, you know we all depend on trade and the market's shrinking. we're at $18 trillion g.d.p. think about this. we in the united states of america have the greatest economy the world's ever seen. $18 trillion. you know of all these 11 countries we're talking about the closest one to us? japan. four and a half. falls off the richter scale. but yet we have to be very secretive because somebody might leave us. i have been a businessperson all my life. if i wanted to get into a market i'll assure you i would be able to -- to evaluate my competition, the people i want to do business with. if that was a big person on the block, i had to make more adjustments than they had to make. yet we're so concerned about the secrecy of this deal that none of us could be able

the fact that we have regular hearings, the fact that the intelligence community is called for iran-contra, the fbi is called to the carpet for the investigation into the committee for solidarity with the people of el salvador, suggest changes. these are things that didn't happen before 1976, but they are things that happen now. fbi agents were prosecuted for break-ins, and two of them were convicted, mark phelps and william miller. that is a change. fbi agents hadn't been convicted for those things before. and so on. i think the church committee though it didn't get what it wanted, it did affect many of the changes that it was looking for. in a sense, it's not business as usual, but sometimes it does rhyme with it. [applause] >> thank you to the panelists, and i think we can open this up. we have about 15 minutes left for q and a. for those of you who came in late, i will remind you that we are being recorded by c-span. anything that you say will go out on broadcast. for that reason, i would also ask, as our first participant is doing as a model, that you go to the microphone for your que

the fact that we have regular hearings, the fact that the intelligence community is called for iran-contra, the fbi is called to the carpet for the investigation into the committee for solidarity with the people of el salvador, suggest changes. these are things that didn't happen before 1976, but they are things that happen now. fbi agents were prosecuted for break-ins, and two of them were convicted, mark phelps and william miller. that is a change. fbi agents hadn't been convicted for those things before. and so on. i think the church committee though it didn't get what it wanted, it did affect many of the changes that it was looking for. in a sense, it's not business as usual, but sometimes it does rhyme with it. [applause] >> thank you to the panelists, and i think we can open this up. we have about 15 minutes left for q and a. for those of you who came in late, i will remind you that we are being recorded by c-span. anything that you say will go out on broadcast. for that reason, i would also ask, as our first participant is doing as a model, that you go to the microphone for your que

piece of legislation tpa, there was more security around this piece of legislation that was the iran-contra nuclear give them the iran nuclear we're talking about. my staff could go there take notes can we get briefed on able to ask questions. we couldn't take a note or taking note out. they are tell me we all depend on trade in the market changing the we are at 18 trillion gdp. think about this. we in the kind of america the greatest economy the world has ever seen, 18 trillion. of all these in conjunctiva, the closest one to his, japan, 4.5. falls off the richter scale scale but yet we've got to be secretive because somebody might lead us. i've been in business all my life. if i want to get into a market i will assure you i will be able to evaluate my competition of the people i want to do business with. i had to make more adjustments and they had to make. but yet we are so concerned about the secrecy of this deal. that none of us could able to see it work defined dissected and improve upon. now we're just going basically carte blanche and sang sure you will get a review can't do anything

profile attorney thomas green who has heptrepresented clients in major scandals from watergate to iran contrae has not been indicted for sexual abuse of minors and no one has been indicted for extortion. those seem to be the two underlying issues there. >> though not spelled out in the federal indictment the past misconduct hastert allegedly tried to cover up was sexual in nature with a male student at the school where he taught for years. the sister of one alleged victim said others may be out there. but mike who wrestled for yorkville high in the early '80s has his doubts. >> i don't believe it not at all. i never had any problems with him at all. >> there are also questioned about how hastert would have raised the $3.5 million in hush money after leaving congress. it was in 2010 he ramped up his lobbying according to documents and e-mails in a separate lawsuit filed by an ex-business partner. that lawsuit was later dismissed. >> that's very disturbing. the idea you can have someone who was one of the most senior officials in the united states government trying to use their connections and

they have left the bench and secondly, all the revelations from the pentagon papers watergate, iran/contraso forth, have made judges much more skeptical. there was a deflection from that path as the conservatives got a lot of young, very conservative courts of appeals judges. but now as the far right if you will is joining the left on civil liberties issues i think that path towards more skepticism by judges also they have become more comfortable dealing in article 3 courts with very classified information. so i think that arc is bending the right way. but my question goes back to the issue about the fiske and changes in it. if you distinguish between special masters which pat wald made good use of on foia cases when she was on the court and she was the best witness on state secrets by the way. if you distinguish that which judges on the fiske i assume have been able to do from the idea of a counterweight, whatever you call it. i was wondering where you would draw the line. because this morning it was pointed out the original concept was sort of a magistrate on warrants but that's ex parte

after the iran contra, there was a push toward making that position a statutory one which is presidentiallyappointed. when you are not reporting to the nsa but to the president, that might create more of an opportunity for that position to review itself in a staunch independent fashion. the privacy and civil liberties skroefr oversight has done some wonderful work. when we think about capacity, this institution has one full full-time person, four and a budget just a little over $3 million. thinking about that in comparison to the $50 billion of help needed in this community, we are still talking about a very striking mismatch between the review and what is being reviewed. >> so resources. one final point where i think there is something to be done. i think it is incredibly important when there ir statutory mandates for i.g.s to conduct reviewing or to assign them, an on going in reviewing individual rights because many i.g.s don't see that as something within this gambit, some say, fraud, waste and abuse, that's a number of things but i think to the extent that congress ledge lates it at al

profile attorney thomas green who represented clients in major national scandals from watergate to iran-contra. >> dennis hastert has not been indicted for sexual abuse of minors. no one has been indicted for extortion. those are the underlying issues here. >> reporter: not spell ed out in the federal indictment law enforcement officials tell nbc news that past misconduct hastert tried to allegedly cover up was sexual in nature with a male student at the school where he taught for years. the sister of the late steve rheinbold said others may be out there. but some have doubts. >> i don't believe it. i never had any problems with him at all. >> reporter: there are questions about how hastert would have raised $3.5 million in hush money after leaving congress. in 2010 hastert ramped up lobbying according to documents and mays in a separate lawsuit filed by an ex-business partner. that lawsuit was later dismissed. >> that's very disturbing. the idea you could have one of the most senior oh officials in the united states government trying to use their connections and influence to make as much mone

profile attorney thomas green who has hepted clients in major national scandals from watergate to iran contra. >> dennis hastert has not been indicted for sexual abuse of minors, and no one has been indicted for extortion. and those seem to be the two real underlying issues here. >> though not spelled out in the federal indictment, law enforcement officials tell nbc news the past misconduct hastert tried to cover up was sexual in nature with a male student at the school where he taught for years. the sister of one alleged victim says others may be out there. but mike, who wrestled for yorkville high in the early '80s has his doubts. >> i don't believe it. not at all. i never had any problems with him at all. >> there are also questions about how hastert would have raised the $3.5 million in hush money after leaving congress. it was in 2010 that hastert ramped up his lobbying, that's according to documents and e-mails in a separate lawsuit filed by an ex-business partner. that lawsuit was later dismissed. >> that's very disturbing, the idea that you can have someone who is one of the most seni

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can i point to anything -- poindexter was pointing to the iran contra. can i point to any aspect of the policy that suffered because of this? i cannot. i can give you some evidence to the contrary that when called upon ronald reagan could still perform very well. his weekend with gorbachev this was in 19:86 a.m. for 36 hours i'm going to say he was at the top of his game. he couldn't sustain that for day after day after day. it was supposed to go saturday and sunday morning and then they were going to go home. they continue to negotiate and then another with relief sunday afternoon and finally, he called them in and some of his advisers said white of the state overnight and try to get a final agreement monday morning because they were close to an agreement that would have followed through and led to. but he finally said no i'm not going to, i'm going home and he said nancy is holding sunday dinner for me and i have to get back. thank you. you've been a wonderful audience [applause] >>> booktv visited capitol hill to ask members of congress what they're r