people have and iraq. to say too bad too late we've lost 3600 troops and it's time to go home i think is a shortsighted perspective when it comes to this global war were fighting. our enemies are fighting a global insurgency, not just in the middle east but we've seen repeatedly in europe with the bombings recently in glasgow and then throughout europe. the threat is real. the enemy is out there and we can decide whether were going to continue to fight them with the right -- i wouldn't be here this morning it was a same strategy that was years while i was in iraq. i wouldn't be here defending that policy. that was a failed policy. >> what would you be say? >> it's probably time to adjust strategy. we need to change strategy. [inaudible] >> mccain has voiced this. it's that with continued losing american lives as a fill strategy. either adjust strategy or pull the troops out. i totally agree. if there was up late to adjust rank i would be jumping on the table saying get our servicemen and women out because

host: will you go back to iraq? guest: i don't know, if i'm called back it's a possibility i think i have three more years on my contract. host: pasadena, good morning. caller: just a few comments. your guest was saying al qaeda has chosen to make iraq the frontline in the battle but i would disagree on several of the statements you've made. at best they are disingenuous and worst they are fraudulent. the united states chose to make iraq differently when they invaded, al qaeda was not in iraq prior to us invading the country. at the grade was an aberration, a few soldiers chose to do that on their own, and the report was damming, that the highest brass was complicit with abu ghraib. guest: thank you. i think the administration did itself a great disservice trying to tie al qaeda to saddam hussein to closely into thousand three and has made people step back and think i don't think we are really fighting al qaeda they are now. it couldn't be further from the truth. that may be where we've decided to fight them. they w

okada did not choose to make iraq the frontline the united states did okayed it was not an iraq prior to us invading the country. as an aberration is a few soldiers who chose to do this on their own. very damning for the highest brass in the military being complicit in the actions i thank you for takingi the time. >> thank you. the administration did itself a great disservice trying to tie alis qaeda to saddam hussein in 2003 in doing h so has made peoe step back i don't thinknk were really fighting al qaeda there now. but itt cannot be further from the truth that may be where we decided to fight them. they want to fight us. they have decided america needs to go down. >> with the caller was saying is al qaeda was not there before we entered iraq. >> acquired it was looking for any battlefield to fight the americans inme afghanistan first part we get rid of saddam hussein they decide that'sid a second front. whether or not that's the right decision it is for the history books right now. but where we are is in a battle with al qaeda and iraq and needs to be t completed. if you look at t

when the united states was providing iraq with a wax, when the french were providing iraq with missiles and fighters come when germany was providing iraq with chemical weapons, when britain was providing tanks come when russia soviet union of the time with providing iraq with migs and missiles, when china at the time was providing iraq its missiles, we didn't have anything. we stood against iraq for eight years and we did not give up an inch of our territory. first of all, the story about destroying our air defense is a story because, and there is a reason behind it. >> are you saying it did that happen? >> no, we suffered. but it did mean that we lost our air defense. and secondly, we have fought against a well-equipped army, equipment everybody, and over he was giving us any weapons for eight years and we didn't lose any of our territory. that something that didn't happen in iran for 220 years. for the previous 220 years we had lost every war in which we engaged. this was the first government in iran that has not lost any territory in the past two and half centuries. we are not talkin

so, the people that you met in iraq are terrified of the war spreading?of people don't understand about the middle east is that, you know, when there is war in one country, the whole region is — it has an impact on the whole region and, in fact, on it. we all share the same fear that more and more groups will take advantage of it and then, it will be hard to stop it, yeah. you started telling your story almost as soon as you escaped, and you refused — you very clearly refuse to feel the shame that the islamic state wanted you to feel and that the perpetrators wanted you to feel. was that a conscious choice at the time? i think the shame and stigma that is — that was attached to being raped — it wasn'tjust by isis but also the people that i was, like, living with, the country, the society — it was something that so many people advised me not to tell. i met survivors who were with me in captivity, who i know were sexually abused and after they escaped, they would say they were only slaves and, like, prisoners and nothing happened to them and then, years lat

has about 2000 troops in iraq, about 900 in syria. they are there to counter isis. what impact do you think that will have, the more isolationist or america first agenda? >> we had three presidents in a row, all of whom have wanted to reduce our force posture overseas, focus here at home. at times when we have done that we saw the disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan. pres. biden: thanks for your patience. been a long day.

we now have the name ofthe and iraq. we now have the name of the attacker, _ and iraq. - of the attacker, 42—year—old shamsud—dinjabbar, a us army veteran, it surprise you? hot veteran, it surprise you? not necessarily- _ veteran, it surprise you? not necessarily. we _ veteran, it surprise you? iirrt necessarily. we have seen some former military officials be involved in terrorist attacks. the groups might look for people who have that kind of training. forsome people who have that kind of training. for some reason there seems to be maybe some vulnerability, peoplejoin the vulnerability, people join the military vulnerability, peoplejoin the military because they want to be a part of something bigger than themselves, and in some ways that is what inspires people to engage in these violent acts of extremism as well, the attached to the ideologies and then they are prepared to take action based on that. ~ ., prepared to take action based on that. ~ . , on that. we heard president biden talking _ on that. we heard president biden talking earlier, - on that. we heard presid

so we have a wealth of knowledge about, about what has happened in iraq. and my fear is that the bombing in gaza has been much more intense than bombings any well. and so i would expect to see a lot more damage to the public health in gaza compared to iraq. and you up, we have shown that titanium cadmium from you. all of these are metals that are supported by it's huge industry behind them that feeds into women's manufacturing. it's important for us to recognize a lot of these metals are not normally found in high toxic levels. in our environment, they appear when it place is barbaric. we bumped like there was in iraq. and now there is in, in the gaza an in syria. that is when we see these metals released into the environment and people would, he held them, they would eat them in the food that they eat in multiple ways. people get these metals into their bodies, particularly sensitive. are old people, young people and women who are pregnant when i see these images, although i just want to share the testimony of dr. muhammed to hear, who volunteered in gaza

invasion of iraq, a local group became al qaeda in iraq, its first affiliate. al qaeda in yemen was established in 2006, you know, and part of this is conditions in the islamic world that led to the growth of these groups and connections and communications. in 2009, al qaeda in yemen and al qaeda operatives in saudi arabia merged and al qaeda in the arabian group in in north peninsula. a group in in north africa became al qaeda and the islamic maghreb after 2006 or seven, al shabaab in somalia declared allegiance to al qaeda in al 2012. qaeda in syria was established under various names with the beginning of the syrian civil war. and then the only and then al qaeda in the indian subcontinent was established by ayman al zaw zawahiri, the emir of al qaeda in 2014. taking advantage of conditions in various areas and sending emissaries was how they expanded. it's one of al qaeda's successes in the islamic state as well in being able to spread their reach after 9/11. >> i have one quick follow-up. so how should we think post metastasizing about the significance of a

we bump like there was in iraq . and now there is a in, in gaza, an in syria, that is when we see these metals released into the environment and people would entail them, they would eat them in the food that they eat in multiple ways. people get these metals into their bodies, particularly sensitive. are old people, young people and women who are pregnant. when i see these images of gaza, i cannot help but to think what is happening in the bodies of hundreds and thousands of pregnant women in gaza. what is happening, and i know it to be happening, is there in hailing their e think they are living in a place of highly toxic metal content. and these metals end up in her blood stream and in her features, and it's impacting fetus. so it is critical for us to stop this genocide. and again, it's going to have an impact on generations to come just to give people a context on birth defects and the numbers of birth defects. sorry, so sorry to interrupt is just because the, the numbers of the rest, the effects that you have in

can you tell us about your findings in iraq? the thank you. yes. um, since 2011, we've been studying impacts of war contamination on multiple you up to cities in bus route in about the info to join hawaii. just a non syria. we have collected samples of children with birth defects and their parents and where they live. and what we have shown significantly is that the closer family lives to a us military base. the higher the chances of that family, having a child with birth defects, basically linking distance to a military base, which is a source of pollution in the middle east. places where the united states has military bases anywhere else. i think the us right now has over 500 military bases in different capacities. so that is one thing we have shown. we have also shown that metals like latin american, we are extremely high in samples of children with birth defects. when you compare it to children who are healthy, we have shown that the same metals are high in the bodies of the parents. so we have a wealth of knowledge about about what has happene

but in terms of your question on inside syria — in the chaos, if that's the right word — look at iraqsaddam, the looting, the complete security unravelling of the country, or look at afghanistan as the americans pulled out and the desperation, the terrorist attacks and other things that happened. in syria, we saw none of that. i mean, ifollowed, city by city, as aleppo was liberated in two days, then hama and homs and damascus. we did not see massive looting by any means. there were very few even reports of violations, you know, by fighters or anything. there was no displacement of civilians. and it's really an homage not just to those revolutionaries that liberated these cities, but to the syrian people as a whole. here's something you said a few days ago. you said, "no matter how long it takes, we will get every "single one of those responsible, "starting with bashar al—assad," and you mentioned iraq in your last answer. i mean, one thing that did happen in iraq was that, ultimately, saddam hussein was apprehended, and a form of justice was meted out to him. very brutal justice. syr

a lot has changed in iraq but this executive order is still on the book. no one has ever repealed it. it's not really being actively used by the administration but if one wanted to, they could. and that kept on come canning up a lot in my research on these executive orders in the foreign policy space was there's just a lot of undergrowth, if you will. there's a lot of like just junk eo's that have overtaken by events politically in the real world. i think the issue that most abuses of executive orders in world of foreign policy don't really come from executive orders orders but other things like acts of congress, the patriot act comes to mind and congress sort of willingly advocating roles to the executive branch. congress saying, okay, mr. president, you can do what you want and we will for some reason like never repeal, like never review them and leave them on the books for decades and decades for military action as -- as the executive branch sees fits. that's a problem. we should fix that problem. we should repeal and replace, repeal for and not replace

we have an ironclad commitment with iraq when it comes to our corporation. -- cooperation. you know, they are still good and iraq is a valued partner of the united states when it comes to our presence in the indo- pacific. you know, i'm not anticipating any changes to that. >> south korea -- will it impact anything with south korea, to secure the vacuum and the security of the korean peninsula and the indo-pacific? >> just to get at the heart of the question, there is no change to the u.s. alliance when it comes to cooperation with the military. when it comes to the domestic issues in forces happening in the republic of korea, it is something we will monitor. those are things that the people of the republic of korea will have to figure out for themselves. i can only speak on behalf of the military cooperation between hour two militaries and that remains strong and, you know, it will continue on the on this administration as well. i will go to the phones and i am happy to come back into the room. howard altman? >> thank you, sabrina carroll can you talk about -- the so- call

one on ukraine and one on iraq. regarding ukraine, can the pentagon provide the number of ukrainian f-16 pilots that have been trained in the u.s. even if you have to take that question? and can you provide us with a general idea of the u.s. support for the f-16 pilot training program under this administration's tenure? and my second question on the actions against isis, can the pentagon explain a little bit more about what exactly happened in the iraqi mountains? were the fighters that conducted air strikes all u.s. aircraft? did the f-15's, f-16's conduct preplanned air strikes as part of the operation? just trying to understand that more. secretary singh: thank you. on your question on the isis strikes, i think you're referring to that if a few weeks ago. i think central command put out all that we're going to on the strikes. but for more information i'd refer you to them to speak to that operation. on the frveg-16 program, i think you're pretty well versed on it. we've trained -- we are a co-lead on the care cap

i assume that's our wars in iraq and afghanistan. do you think our troops are committing genocide in iraq and afghanistan? >> senator, i do not. i think our senator, our troops, as you know, as so many in this committee know, did the best they could with what they had. we're not the outcomes. and tragically, the outcome we saw in afghanistan under the biden administration put a stain on that. but it doesn't put a stain on what those men and women did in uniform, as you know full well, senator. >> thank you. mr. >> thank you, senator cotton. at this point, i offer i ask unanimous consent to offer into the record a letter submitted by omar abbasi, son of former city council president of samarra, iraq, who worked with mr. hegseth in iraq. without objection, that will be entered. senator gillibrand. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you. mr. hegseth. i do want to thank you for your service, and i want to thank you for your willingness to serve in this capacity. >> thank you, senator, i have many concerns about your record and particularl

the iraq national stabilization emergency. this was issued by the george w. bush administration after the fall of the saddam hussein regime in '03. it provides for things we are going to do in iraq to try and stabilize it and specifically going after certain political entities that existed in iraq under the saddam hussein regime the administration was trying to get out of there. that was over 20 years ago now. a lot has changed in iraq. this executive order is still on the books. no one repealed it. it is not being actively used. if one wanted to, they could. that kept on coming up a lot in my research on these eo's. there's a lot of undergrowth. junk eo's overtaken by events politically that have not been repealed. they kind of exist. weird state laws, you cannot cross from one county to another while holding a duck on your head on a thursday or something. if that level of thing. no one is actively using it to conduct themselves in policy but they exist. no one has gone through the trouble of clearing the brush and figuring out which one of these do we need?

you've got ground troops in iraq. we do have some folks in israel. obviously, you've got american citizens, you've got embassy folks there. you've got the u.s. naval personnel, we've got air forces deployed throughout the middle east. you've got a considerable footprint in the middle east that are all in various levels of exposure. if it was a broad regional conflict. now, we're capable of defending ourselves. your military is extraordinarily capable in so many ways. and i know general carilla, the commander of centcom has taken all the appropriate force protection measures for his troops. so our guys are at risk though, nobody should underestimate the levels of risk. our people are at in the middle east right now. host: let's move into europe if we can, the situation in ukraine. some people have described it as a stalemate. how do you see this playing out next? and what, what's your, what's your takeaway at this moment in time about that conflict? gen. milley: well, i think it is a strategic stalemate so tactically, at the tactical level, you're get

i think as the authorization for the use of military force in iraq, i voted against that. my district is very heavily in favor of doing anything that we could after the attack on our country on 9/11. but i was convinced that iraq was not involved in that attack, and that would be wrong to send our men and women to harm's way. i thought that would be the end of my political career. instead it was a stepping -ston to being a united states senator. do what is right, and you'll get rewarded. >> why do you think it could have been the end? >> my district was very much in favor of using military force against anyone who did anything against us as a result of 9/11. the administration was promoting the fact that iraq was involved in the attack against our country. it was not. the evidence showed it was not. it was a situation where i was told by a lot of my neighbors and friends that if i wanted to have a future, it would be better for use of force. you can't send men and women into harm's way, unless it was really the last resort, and this was not that situation. >> did you chang

the pentagon hated more than $500000000.00 for the correct coverage of the iraq war. there was a very large project. it was the biggest contract, the americans awarded to anybody outside of america. the contract vonny was also 1000000000 us dollars. so that's quite a having a contract. and so i news big june of this month and wells worked at bell impulse into over several years. i was working for you loans and i was contacted by an agency i worked for a while at the time. they were like kind of a recruitment agency for just tv and they said there's a job. some people would like you to go in interview for buddies based internet and i was, i told the same size and i think i'm quite happily going to look at that time. so i went along to the interview. he was in a building central london. and it was all very kind of an income, secretive inside of it. and it felt like you were in a building. it wasn't normal. and then there were armed guards. so then i knew things weren't, you know, i just assumed i'd be doing some kind of news, the type of things for them. and that was th

it's think tank ukraine just as once in iraq. there's a media h q, from the news, accept most of the clients stress worldwide. ukrainian crisis media centers website doesn't hide these liaisons among open data listed organizations of the us embassies probably get the sanction the us agency for international development, the national endowment for democracy, the european in down there. it's a democracy, you case institute the government under cause night. so us began creating information warfare platforms, such as spirit of america, which was a 5, a one c 3 that was contracted by the c i a by the british, by the state department to broadcast pro american messages, anti russian messages, dozens of companies in the us promote ukrainian propaganda, for example, one of the largest dealer agencies in america plus communications, openly funds the so called ukranian p on a map of sites. and like i told him, i'd be doing a virtual grocery store credit gift. everybody's looking through grace gift flow. so i'm going to squeeze each. this pr

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i assume that's the wars in iraq and afghanistan. do you think our troops were committing genocide. >> i do not. our troops as so many on this committee know did the best they could with what they had. tragically the outcome we saw in afghanistan put a stain on that but not a stain they did in uniform. as you know full well. >> at this point i ask unanimous consent to offer into the record a letter submitted by omar obassa former president of iraq who worked with mr. hegseth in iraq. without objection that will be entered. senator gillibrand. >> thank you, mr. chairman and thank you, mr. hegseth. thank you for your service and i want to thank you for your willingness to serve in this capacity. i have many concerns about your record and particularly your public statements because they are so hurtful to the men and women who are currently serving in the u.s. military. harmful to morale, harmful to good order and discipline. if you are saying that women shouldn't be serving in the military -- i will read your quotes. the quotes themselv

and then the other thing was iraq invaded iran. and so all the oil supplies from iran and iraq were lost to the world. all supplies. and so the the price of oil more than doubled in just 12 months. so there was an enormous inflation and interest rates went up over in all the nations of the world. so those three things combined to cause my defeat. but i've had a good life since then. well. you seemed a little at the time. well, because i read this book and of teddy kennedy, you note with some pleasure that you're kicking him around pretty in the primaries. well i did i beat him 2 to 1 in the primaries. well, he says with some glee. yeah but but he wouldn't go down. no, he never did give up, which was distracting to democratic reelection effort. well, obviously it was. the democratic party was split, and one of their failures that i mentioned in the afterword that i wrote was my leadership of the democratic i treated it as a secondary responsibility of me as a president. i was president of united states. first of all, i was the leade

china, afghanistan, iraq and so forth. go down the list. i said about 40 things i had to address that was still there and one of the reasons i wanted to write the book. i was surprised of how frank and unadull tear rated about individuals that i had to face in the future or looking back on before i made mistakes and i thought it would be the unique and i use that word carefully, unique picture of what the presidency is from the point of view from someone holding that office. i hadn't been in politics very long. i was 38 years old. i served a long time in the navy a head of time. when i got to the white house, i never been to washington before except as a visitor and i wanted folks to know what a president thinks when he is confronted with the challenges and disappointments and successes and happiness and sorrows sometimes. and sometimes regrets and sometimes thankfulness. i wanted to have it the way it was. and i had over 20 volumes of notes. more than 5,000 pages of notes and i cut it down by about 80% which i'm sure people buying the book

and muslim allies i helped immigrate from iraq and afghanistan.iform, my mission never stopped. now it is true and has been acknowledged i don't have a similar graffiti to defence secretaries of the last 30 years. but as president trump also told me, we have repeatedly placed people atop the pentagon with supposedly the pentagon with supposedly the right credentials. whether they are retired generals, academics or defence contractor executives. and where has it gotten us? he believes and i humbly agree that it is time to give someone with dust on his boots the helm. a change agent, someone with no vested interest in certain companies or specific programmes or approved narratives. my only special interest is the war fighter. deterring wars and if called upon winning wars by ensuring our warriors never enter a fair fight. we let them win and we bring them home. like many of my generation, i have been there. i have led troops in combat, i have been on patrol for days. i have pulled the trigger down range, herd bullets whizzed by, flex curved insurgen

>> isis retained capability and that's always seen in iraq and syria and that's where we have our forces in both of those countries to ensure that isis can never reconstitute or research or surge back to what it was a decade ago. the entire mission of our force presence there is in the defeat of isis and that's why we have partnered with forces over the past few years and that's why we continue to conduct strikes against isis positions whether it be in the padilla desert or elsewhere. of course isis remains a threat but theyy certainly are not the same threat that they were a decade ago. thank you very much sabrina. president biden signed the defense authorization act regarding 28,500 u.s. troops in korea. do you think there will be a change in the role of the u.s. troops in south korea, any change is? >> i think the short answer is no.. we have an ironclad commitment when it comes to mil-to-mil cooperations in those channels and lines of communication are still good and iraq is a valued partner of united states when it comes to our presence in the indo pacific so i'm not anticipating an

the war fighters in the iraq surge. there was a campaign in 2008, senator, barack obama versus john mccain. we believe john mccain would be the right person to win and we spent more. i'm glad for the record. >> i will ask to be entered into the record, mr. chairman. >> without objection. >> these tax returns are yours. they have your signature. and i'm going to ask that me embers of the committee review them. they're the only documents. i've asked for others. i've asked for the f.b.i. report that would presumably documented and should have documented this kind of financial mismanagement and these are the 990s from that organization by the year of 2011 donors had become so dissatisfied with that mismanagement they ousted you and merged that organization with military families united and thereafter you joined a second organization as executive director. >> in between i went to harvard university for two years and afghanistan. >> i want to ask you questions about concerned veterans for america. again another set of tax ret

has about 2000 troops in iraq and 900 in syria.y are there to counter isis, what do you think that is -- the impact that will have the more isolationist or america first agenda? guest: we have had three presidents in a row, obama, trump and biden wanting to reduce our force posture and remove ourselves from a lot of these conflicts and focus at homes. at times we have done that we saw the disastrous withdrawal afghanistan and his successful efforts against isis but the challenge where he allowed the turkish government to go after our allies the kurds as well. there are challenges with our allies and adversaries oversee. the real fact of the matter is at the end of the day it is better for the united states, americans and allies to fight the adversaries where they are in the middle east and elsewhere rather than allowing them to plan and plot attacks against the united states, europe or americans and europeans around the globe. if we are going to win the effort or be successful at staving off attacks we have to conduct operations ov

, and afghanistan, and having taken charge of his platoon days before deployment in iraq, he led his platoon through 5 months of combat, and ranging from air assault raids to defense of a forward operating base. the evaluation goes on describe how his platoon remains physically and mentally red and captured an an al qaeda cell leader in iraq, and described his leadership skills in supporting hits squads. and another report, described him as an absolutely outstanding officer who was, in intelligent, mature and extremely gifted had become a tremendous asset to his ab battalion. these evaluations should be crucially important in coming senate committee hearings, a tremendous by the way breaking news report from fox news digital, and it should put to rest at least some of the unproven allegations leveled at hegseth years ago, allegations that have nothing to do with his military fitness or overall leadership skills. now, veterans rallying around pete hegseth and his nomination to be defense secretary, today an indoor rally spearheaded by senator tommy tuberville, and conti congressman ke

we went to iraq during the early days. i got so sick there they called it operation enduring diarrhea. it was a rough week. i went with drew carey, who is a marine. dietrich's old costar. they love drew carey because they love blondes with big tits. it was a very exciting trip, it really was. my hotel -- i was at the al-ra shid hotel in baghdad in the green zone. this guy shaking his head like he stays there all the time. my hotel got hit with a mortar attack. at least that's what i told the front desk when i checked out. yeah, they broke in and drink everything in the minibar. i'm not paying for this. the point is i don't think i understood with the military was until i went over for my first uso tour and understand so much better now the commitment and sacrifice that men and women make and it blows my mind, so any chance to come out and support or get a few laughs with the military, i always jump at the chance. we are giving away some awards. and i get to host that. are you ready to meet our first presenter? ok, good. ar

iraq, iran, etc. etc. has contributed to this america first dissatisfaction with engagement with the world and a lack of interest in nato and etc. yeah, if you believe this has influenced politics to what it has to, it has to have done because politics is influenced by everything that happened before and the iraq experience, although i think it's more complicated than the way americans choose to remember it, but the way americans choose to remember it is is complete, is great discouragement to being active in the world and especially in the middle east. so we went through but you see these cycles that korea very discouraging americans were used to wars ending with the surrender ceremony, the deck of the battleship missouri and then korea, which ends in a kind of stalemate. and it takes long time for americans understand, actually, we sort of want and, you know, we we save the part of south korea that we started with and turned it into a successful and the same thing as vietnam is vietnam was a searing expe