>> guest: well, my son, my younger son, anthony, was a refugee worker in thailand for the, for the irc the same organization i had gone over for. and when the worst war crime committed in europe since world war ii -- and this was july of 1995 -- the president of the refugees international refugee organization, lionel rosenblatt, one of the most will i can't refugee officers i know and whose picture is right there, yeah, he's the guy on the left there in the flak jacket, and i'm on the right, and we are on the road to share yea slow on the day before new year's, 1991. and lionel rosenblatt asked my son two and a half years later to fly from bangkok to bosnia to interview the refugees coming out of the -- fleeing through the forests away from the bosnian serbs to safety. so while this terrible tragedy in kosovo was taking place, anthony was calling me up telling me what he was hearing in these refugee accounts. as for my wife, her name is kati martin, she's been on c-span to discuss her own books, and we got married two months before the negotiations started. she is born in budapest, her