it is what some individuals see in terms of what they read in the newspaper and irene morgan things aredesegregated. okay i'm not going to obey these laws. and then get changed maybe. >> i wonder what you would think about the fact that segregated travel, often time corporations are involved. you got bus companies like greyhound and trailways and airlines and you have the citizens as well and feels it's more front and center with travel there corporations and many of which take orders in the north. southern affiliates is greyhound and out of atlanta. i wonder how much of that is something we should know about and that you ran into? >> i read into it a lot. corporations play an interesting role. they go along with segregation they actually initially over railroad would've really preferred not to see jim crow worry actually supply separate but equal accommodations. once it didn't they went along with it. sort of i would argue even began to see segregation as part of what they were selling. because they came depression from southern states on this. even when they did not necessarily have t

kerry fitzgerald and irene morgan i want to start with the first kerry fitzgerald your maternal grandmother how does she fit into the resistance? >> i begin with story of my grandmother. because it captures i think, some of the things that joust noted that i wanted to explore in the book. that, you know, my grandmother as i describe in the book 1944 early 1944, basically it was a moment where she is in west virginia. gets on a bus going from virginia to her home, and she said to taking a seat in the so-called white section of the bus. and as it turns out for number of rngs i discuss in the book, s not aced like rosa parks or other people but i think her experience was exemplary of that moment in history when one, the circumstances historic circumstances, social context was that she felt, you know, her grievances that are built up over time that she could, you know, challenge the segregated seating which was by law in virginia at that time. also that although this was something that ting that -- undoubtedly other unsung unrecorded incidents of this sort was some sense of that. it did not lea