irin carmon from msnbc.com. thank you very much for that.thank you, chris. >>> coming up, remember during the '08 presidential election when sarah palin's big foreign policy credit was russia was alaska's neighbor? >> it's very important when you consider even national security issues with russia as putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the united states of america. where do they go? it's alaska. it's just right over the border. it is from alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, russia. >> why the right's failed presidential and vice presidential candidates are taking a victory lap over russia, next. nice morning, scott? aye, or...a mornin' of tiny voices crying out, "feed us -- we've awakened from our long winter's nap and we're peckish to the point of starvin'"!! i don't understand... your grass, man! it's a living, breathing thing. it's hungry, and you've got to feed it with scotts turf builder. that a boy, mikey! two feedings now...in the springtime strengthens and

irin carmon from msnbc.com. thank you very much for that. really appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. >>> coming up, remember during the '08 presidential election when sarah palin's big foreign policy credit was russia was alaska's neighbor? >> it's very important when you consider even national security issues with russia as putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the united states of america. where do they go? it's alaska. it's just right over the border. it is from alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, russia. >> why the right's failed presidential and vice presidential candidates are taking a victory lap over russia, next. before i do any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. try new olay fresh effects everything off wipes to remove makeup. and bright on schedule eye roller to instantly depuff. fo

irin carmon. irin, how do we get from scalia telling people they cannot smoke peyote, to this case?calika lecalia sai citizen cannot be a law unto himself. you have to comply with the law even if your religious tells you otherwise. >> peyote is illegal, you want to smoke peyote for your religious ceremony, tough says ska lee that. >> at the time, people thought that was harsh. i'm hearing people come out of the woodwork and say they thought that correctly decided. at the time, the fear was the government was going to crush individuals' rights, particularly members of minority religions and force them to comply with laws that force them to violate their religion. at the time there was outrage about that which led to the religious freedom restoration act, nobody was thinking a corporation, which employs 13,000 people, would then come in and say, i have religious exercise, too, and i want to be exempt from laws. >> right. we're talking about people who might have observances, who might have objections based on religious reasons to things like vaccination or certain kinds of medical a m

irin, i'm going to start about you, wrote about rfra. act was originally supported and passed by democrats and opposed by conservatives. >> right, the irony of this is that in the early '90s, when rfra was first proposed, and it was proposed in response to a case, a supreme court decision, that was written by justice antonin scalia, of all people, that involves payote. so when everyone was talking about religious freedom, they were talking about how to force the government to violate their beliefs on an individual basis. so someone not getting unemployment benefits, because they spoked peyote as part of a religious exercise, that was the case that really galvanized everybody. the idea was protecting minorities who were unpopular, whose religion was marginalized from public life. nobody was talking about corporations. nobody was talking about infringing on the rights of third parties to have the same access to health care as other people. >> and even, i think, congressman nabler, from new york, who was part of rfra from the beginning said

but i do think it's important that we also acknowledge -- and i thought irin's piece was important tow the disproportionate impact it's having on women and particularly women of color and that's something we need to pay attention to and focus on. >> absolutely. >> i want to thank you both for joining me. be sure to catch the joe madison show on sirius xm show every weekday morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. >>> still ahead, the supreme court again takes up the question, are corporations people? and if so, what rights does that give your boss over your life? stay with us. we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. ♪ this is mike. his long race day starts with bac