>> iris chang was known from the 97 bestseller that was the book, the rape of nanking, and it did huge things to raise awareness about japanese atrocities during world war ii and that was only nan king but in great detail about the massacre there there raise awareness about atrocities throughout asia, so it became a whole movement rather than just a book. it in the late 90's. >> who is she a historian? >> she was both a historian and a journalist, so-- you did not see them as mutually exclusive, so she was good at being a historian, a big tool of hers was archives and she spent days and days buried in the national archives and other archives but then she also went out, confronted people face to face so she used all of those methods. >> where was she from? >> she was from urbana illinois. we actually met in college in the illinois in the mid '80s that we were friends since then. >> what kind of relationship did you have as friends? >> at first i didn't know what to think of her, she was many steps ahead of me but there was a few internships and every time there was one she would get it.

. >> paula kamen, who was iris chang? >> iris chang was best known for her bestseller that was the book, the rape of nanking and it did huge things to raise awareness about japanese atrocities during world war ii. it was not only in nanking but she wrote detail about the massacre but it raised atrocities throughout asia and it became a whole movement rather than just a book in the 1990s. >> was she a historian? >> she was both a historian and a journalist. so she didn't see them as mutually exclusive. i think her big tool of hers was archives, you know, she spent days and days buried in the national archives and other archives but then she also went out, confronted people face-to-face, so she used all these methods. >> where was she from? >> she was from urbana, illinois. we met in college at the university of illinois in the mid-'80s and then we were friends since then. >> and what kind of relationship did you have as friends? >> at first i didn't know what to make of her. that she was always many steps ahead of me. ther

. >> so what did you find about iris chang? >> that she was very, very complex.as a lot behind this venear of perfection of all of us basically saw her as having the absolute perfect life and being the perfect person to the extent that we didn't want to share her problems with her that she wouldn't understand having problems and, you know, what that was like. that she was incredibly driven and that's what helped her to uncover, you know, all these really tough parts of history and atrocities in japan. and i think with the mental illness she didn't know when to stop and she didn't know about any kind of limits that she had. so she was inspiration in her drive not seeing limits but then ultimately it was a weakness. and not getting treated for the mental illness, you know, she refused to accept that she had it. >> is there a stigmatism with mental illness and asian-americans? >> yeah, in every culture there's a huge stigma but in asian culture it's really, really extreme. thatations are much less likely to get treated with therapy or medication. when they do go for

. >> paula caymen, who with iris chang?is chang was most known for her 1997 bestseller that was the book, the rape of nanking, and it did huge things to raise awareness about japanese atrocities during world war ii and that was she wrote great detail about the massacre and raise awareness about atrocities through asia. became a whole movement. >> who is she is torian? >> she was both an historian and a journalist, so she did not see them as mutually exclusive. so, historians, a big part was archives and she spent days and days in the national archives and other archives but then she also went out, confronted people face to face so she is all of those methods. >> where was she from? >> she was from our bennett illinois. we met in college on a daily. i knife at the university of illinois. it was mid-80s that we were friends since then. >> what kind of relationship did you have? >> at first i did not know what to make of her, she was many steps that have made but every time there was an she would get it. by the time i would ha

[inaudible conversations] >> who is iris chang? >> she was most known for the 1997 best-seller. it did huge things to raise awareness about japanese atrocities during world war ii. it came a whole movement, rather than just a book in the late 90's. >> was she a historian? >> a historian and a journalist. she would see them as mutually exclusive. a big tool of hers was archives. she spent days and days. in the national archives and other archives, but she also went out and confronted people face-to-face. >> where was she from? >> from illinois. we met in college. the mid 80's. >> what kind of relationship? >> at first it did not know what to make a for. she was always many steps ahead of me. very few internships. every time there was one she would get it. if i thought of applying she would have already gotten that. she was always so far ahead of us. she had the idea to write for the new york times. she just called them up. she had stories and the front section of the new york times. do does that? i saw a real talent backed up this incredible marriage. i decided to try to emulate