this is the irs. the presentation of viewpoints unsupported by facts is a significant part of their medications -- communications. this is coming from and i rs agent.- from an irs the approach used in the organization's presentation is not used at developing an understanding because it does not consider their background or training. authorityhe irs the to say this? how is it that the president can say there is not a smidgen of corruption when he documents -- some of these are signed by lois lerner -- how could they possibly say this? the thing i don't understand is as the president was making his statements, as members of the committee were making statements, we had the documents in our possession from offices all over the country, coached to coast -- coast to coast. with the e-mail that was released, we know how high up the chain to read i would urge the committee, when you talk about associate chief counsel, divisional councils, this is as high as it gets. thank you, mr. chairman. i am deeply troubl

the irs is kind of a tough position because nobody seems to like the irs. on the other hand if you don't get revenue, you got a problem. we have a problem as a nation. but when you think about the reduction in employees, and based upon what mr. kane said that the gentle lady just read, it seems like something has to give. i'm just curious as to what's giving. you follow what i'm saying? in other words, if you have based upon what mr. kane said, you're pulling people from different areas to do certain things. you said some of them have to -- have court responsibilities and deadlines. the point is something has got to give. something. >> right. >> and can you tell us what we're losing? >> well what has to give is obviously we have 10,000 fewer employees than we had 4 years ago. we have 500 fewer in the office of chief counsel. so what happens is people either have to spend a lot longer working. at some point you run out of things you can do. we have done our best and taking people around the agency, particularly around chief counsel, and put them on the produ

they claim an irs agent admitted that the irs carefully scrutinized all applications connectioned to israel to determine whether they contradict the obama administration's policies. it sounds a little familiar. >> this is a case of the irs, the astonishing thing would be if it was innocent. this administration is the most anti-israel administration since the creation of israel. and back in 2010 notices were going out to the irs to examine some of these organizations. it wasn't just tea party groups in the cross hairs. pro-israel groups were too. >> so this is not the intention of the irs. it's not what lawmakers intended for the irs. i don't think the founding fathers wanted the irs picking and choosing. i'll give you information. this is according to documents in the case. what the irs is looking at is they were calling this group occupy territoried a va cosi and then the individuals were saying that there was high risk of terrorism in israel. so this sounds to me like bureaucratic bungering. >> but it does sound very similar to the sort of stuff we were hearing with lois lerner. we

the irs is aware of this. going back to our interview, it was clear that it was going to be a goal of the irs to move beyond strategic targeting of certain organizations by their name and do it in a way that is more equitable. least, they are aware of the issue. that should be very evident to anybody who is watching any of the hearings on capitol hill. according to the center $43responsive politics, million spent by nonprofit groups in the 2014 cycle. let's go to carl waiting in west virginia on the line for republicans. 40 years ago richard nixon was forced to resign his office. what do you know about this organization in texas? sheway i understand it, formed an organization to train poll watchers. she applied for this tax exempt. the irs audited her business and her personal account and then the fbi investigated the business because they have tobacco and firearms for a license to manufacture firearms. upa came down and wrote them . a congressman said his staff down there to investigate this woman. guts than

this is the irs. the presentation of viewpoints are unsupported by facts is a significant portion of their communications. this is coming from an irs agent. the approach used in the organization's presentation is not aimed at developing an understanding because it does not consider their background or training. who gave the irs the authority to say this? understanding because it does how is it that the president can say there is not a smidgen of corruption when the documents -- some of these are signed by lois lerner -- how could they possibly say this? the thing i don't understand is as the president was making his statements, as members of this committee were making statements, we had the documents in our possession from offices all over the country, coast to coast. say there is not a smidgen of with the e-mail that was released yesterday, we know how high up the chain. i would urge the committee, when you talk about associate chief counsels, divisional counsels, this is as high as it gets. >> thank

rather than the irs coming to congress and informing us what it knew when it knew it, the irs waitedour months. the irs only came forward to finally acknowledge the missing e-mails when it had no choice, and it gis closed the news the only way it knows how, by burying the information on page 7 of enclosure 3 in a friday afternoon letter to the senate. information obtained by the committee in the last few days provides more questions than answers about the missing e-mails, but remember this isn't information the irs is offering up willingly. it has taken almost a month for the irs to finally start coming clean and it's taking subpoenas to get people to talk. mr. cane -- we tried to for weeks to get mr. cane to talk. we had to subpoena him to get him to come for the deposition last thursday. the american people have this information only because the committee has been asking questions, and that's why commissioner koskinen is here today. he's the individual hand picked by the president to clean up this agency, and that's why he's here today, to answer our questions. until we know all th

do we need any irs stuff? the gentleman from texas has six and a half minutes remaining, and the gentleman from new jersey has six minutes remaining. and the gentleman from new jersey wish to be recognized? >> i recognize the gentleman from mississippi, mr. lott, for three minutes. >> gentleman is recognized. >> thank you, mr. sandman. this is an area that can be used to inflame the emotions of the american people because there are many out there that i know of personally who feel they are harassed by irs and don't feel they're necessarily on anybody's list, but there are some key issues and point we must keep in mind. there is no evidence of any such misuse in the final analysis on the part of the president. the joint committee on internal revenue taxations report should be noted in this conclusion. i'm going to cite some sections from that report in a minute. also, almost all of the examples of alleged attempts to misuse the irs come from the person that used the most influence, supposedly, within irs to get

trust the irs anymore. when that is an issue, everything should be focused on that. we keep getting dribbles and drabs. i appreciate what you said. that's the problem we have right now. >> i just make one point clear. that is nobody has a greater interest of getting you all the information you need and getting closure on this than i do than the people of the irs. we're delighted to take those remit dagss. the relevance of the 960,000 pages, it takes a lot of time to get all of that done in our system. the one thing that we agree upon is the end result so we can get through all of this and restore the people's trust. >> this is round four? >> noo, no. when people yielded me time under our arcade yan rules, that doesn't count. but i'll be brief. commissioner, we have a history. and i want to make sure that i get the history straight today because it does matter to this committee. were you aware that we considered that the irs was stone walling us and giving us information that we didn't want and giving it to

that's the way it was with the irs. this thing began in deceit with lois lerner planting a question to reveal this getting ahead of the inspector general of the irs report. then there were a few rogue agents in cincinnati. the irs is the most intrusive and potentially punitive institution of the federal government and it is a law enforcement institution. and it is off the rails and it is now thoroughly corrupted. people are saying well, the justice department can take care of this. there is a reason why jack kennedy had his brother attorney general. there is a reason why richard nixon had his campaign manager john mitchell, attorney general. it's an inherently political office and it can't be trusted in cases like this. >> and coverup is not a derivative scandal it is a worse scandal. obstruction of justice would be a major scandal, even exceeding the original offense. and that's why they are so scared on the irs side. >> we'll talk about it again. that's it for the panel. stay tuned to see a special welcome for a very

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provide accurate and complete information, although treasury ultimately deferred to the irs on how to handle the matter. >> those letters being distributed -- >> we are making copies now. the committee received these recently. copies will be made available to every member of the committee. mr. ryan is recognized for five minutes. >> this is unbelievable. the apology that ought to be given is to the american taxpayer, not to a government agency that is abusing its power. i am sitting here listening to this testimony. i just -- i do not believe it. that is your problem. nobody believes you. the internal revenue service comes to congress a couple years ago and misleads us and says no targeting is occurring. then it said it was a few rogue agents in cincinnati. then it said it was also on progressives. all of those things have been proven untrue. this committee sent a criminal referral of possible criminal wrongdoing just a month ago to the justice department. we have heard nothing. you bury it in a 27 page letter to the senate, asking for them to conclude the investigation, that you have

it says, in response to your questions, irs informed treasury in 2014 ms. lerner's custodial e-mail box appeared to contain very few e-mails prior to 2011. treasury agreed with the irs that it should inform congress as soon as it was able to provide accurate and complete information, although treasury ultimately deferred to the irs on how to handle the matter. >> those letters being distributed -- >> we are making copies now. the committee received these recently. copies will be made available to every member of the committee. mr. ryan is recognized for five minutes. >> this is unbelievable. the apology that ought to be given is to the american taxpayer, not to a government agency that is abusing its power. i am sitting here listening to this testimony. i just -- i do not believe it. that is your problem. nobody believes you. the internal revenue service comes to congress a couple years ago and misleads us and says no targeting is occurring. then it said it was a few rogue

this destruction of evidence accident that the irs seems to still. you say, that is good news and it is progress and it is positive, yet we have been now with the next development, pushed off to the month of october. still -- i mean, the american people have been staring them straight in the face. this government is corrupt. the internal revenue service is being used as a political tool, hammer. >> absolutely. lou: against innocent people is only problem was that they were on a different side of the political spectrum than the people running the internal revenue service. >> they exercise their first amendment rights of free speech. that was a government problem. you know, this points to a deeper problem. how are they getting away with this? a fact of the matter is, if they're is a change in the senate and the second start holding hearings as well and you have a house and the senate making demands that contains the entire scope. i don't think that the attorney general can just ignore the reality of what would be bearing in on his department of justice

it says, in response to your questions, irs informed treasury in 2014 ms. lerner's custodial e-mail box appeared to contain very few e-mails prior to 2011. treasury agreed with the irs that it should inform congress as soon as it was able to provide accurate and complete information, although treasury ultimately deferred to the irs on how to handle the matter. >> those letters being distributed -- >> we are making copies now. the committee received these recently. copies will be made available to every member of the committee. mr. ryan is recognized for five minutes. >> this is unbelievable. the apology that ought to be given is to the american taxpayer, not to a government agency that is abusing its power. i am sitting here listening to this testimony. i just -- i do not believe it. that is your problem. nobody believes you. the internal revenue service comes to congress a couple years ago and misleads us and says no targeting is occurring. then it said it was a few rogue agents in cincinnati. then it said it was also on progressives. all of those things h

>> up next we have got this, the irs mess.ouise learner's blackberry was wiped clean and destroyed. now the forbes gang knows how to send a message to prevent this from ever happening again. for brand new hour of news. now back to forbes on fox. >> this looks like a scene at the irs right now. new reports suggest this is what the agency did with louise le n learner's blackberry. it was wiped clean of all sensitive information and then scrapped. it happed after theekç congressional probe targeting conservatives began. what do you make of that? >> there is a lot of criminal activity going on here starting with suppression, this justice department is doing absolutely nothing to prosecute. absolutely nothing done there. when the senate goes republican, they can't get away with this and they also have to throw down the marker. no presidential parties. this is absolutely outrageous what's happening. where's the media. >> i don't care what political stripe you are. i think americans would agree. democrat, republican, a goat running

irs-enacted budget was $12 a high watermark of spending. the irs was accused of destroying its backup tapes. >> in 2008, when our new i.t. director came, the retention policy was only for less than three months. in 2008, he increased the retention backup policy to six months. it is a disaster recovery system. if the system goes down, you can reconstitute the e-mail. those systems are usable. if there is no disaster, you continue to back up the e-mails so they are available. i would note, since the start of this investigation, every e-mail has been preserved. nothing has been lost. nothing has been destroyed. >> you have plenty of computer space. i wondered at the time how you could keep track of everybody's irs requirements when you lose your own. didn't the irs estimate that keeping and storing those tapes would only cost $200,000 annually? >> $200,000 annually, every year, but it grows. we have trillions of terabytes, hundreds of millions of e-mails stored over six months. the disaster recovery program -- the e-mail system is not a system

pull mitt freedom sunday, where they're daring the irs.f them are taping theirer ismans, sending them to the irs and saying come get me. they want to challenge this. they believe they'd win. >> correct. we know why they're doing it. they want the case to go forward because they believe after hobby lobby if it gets to the supreme court it will by a 5-4 majority. like it is for hobby lobby, they will invalidate this 1954 statute introduced by senator lbj which says the irs in exchange for the tax exempt status can clamp down on political speech. it was wrong then. wrong today. unconstitutional then. unconstitutional today. i would welcome the challenge. >> what we've seen is irs doesn't take the bait. is it because they know if this gets into the federal court, supreme court, we're going to lose, so we're not going to go after anybody? >> the supreme court has neff ruled on this and as much as the conservative christian grumts want to get there, the irs doesn't want it to get there. i hope it does get there and i can bet they will prevail. >

what is an irs audit? it begins when the taxpayer is asked to furnish a full and complete justification of everything used within the tax return itself. access to prior returns. cases can go back years. when criminal fraud is suspected, they can go back without limit. a typical civil case, the agent must be provided by the taxpayer access to all records medical bills, information regarding loans and other significant financial data. suspects income was received but not reported, he will interview friends, neher -- neighbors, associates, to investigate a lifestyle. person will have to hire a lawyer at expense to him. many of our constituents have complained about irs auditing. we have testimony by john dean along b's lines. conducted in secret session. this lists the names. they were mcgovern supporters and contributors. >> i recognize the gentleman from new jersey. >> it is interesting to note that the gentleman from california has given me an opportunity to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what we have bee

>> up next we have got this, the irs mess.ouise learner's blackberry was wiped clean and destroyed. now the forbes gang knows how to send a message to prevent this r >> live from america's news headquarters, good morning, i'm kelly wright. joan rivers is in serious condition where she is now in a medically induced coma two days after going into cardiac arrest during an in-office procedure. her daughter writes her condition is serious but she is receiving the best care possible. continue to keep her in your thoughts as we pray for her recovery. her career spans a half century. she also co-stars with her daughter on the reality show, melissa knows best. we will see you back here for a brand new hour of news. now back to forbes on fox. >> this looks like a scene at the irs right now. new reports suggest this is what the agency did with louise le n learner's blackberry. it was wiped clean of all sensitive information and then scrapped. it happened after theekç congressional probe targeting conservatives began. what do you make of

if the irs contacts a church. the church will say we'll sorry and back up and the pastor is intimidated. if the church will lawyer up with the people who know the law, the irs will back down and say we'll close the case. it will string it out and run up legal fees. and the church on the right or left of the issues. one liberal church in pasadena lawyered up and the government backed down. >> how many pastors will participate october ninety-ninth. >> october 5th. it is the sixth year. i hope thousands. we encourage pastors to go to pulpit freedom.organd parishoners to call pastors to be bold. a pastor can endorse or oppose a candidate or talk about an issue. we are not telling them what to talk about. that is up to the pastor. god speaks to them and no government intrusion at all in the pulpit is the case we are making. >> i think how the government might evaluate your sermon. it is a shocking thing. a liiance to defending freedom and a great organization that is in the forefront of the religious cases. you wish th

the irs is aware of this. going back to our interview, it was clear that it was going to be a goal of the irs to move beyond strategic targeting of certain organizations by their name and do it in a way that is more equitable. least, they are aware of the issue. that should be very evident to anybody who is watching any of the hearings on capitol hill. according to the center $43responsive politics, million spent by nonprofit groups in the 2014 cycle. let's go to carl waiting in west virginia on the line for republicans. 40 years ago richard nixon was forced to resign his office. what do you know about this organization in texas? sheway i understand it, formed an organization to train poll watchers. she applied for this tax exempt. the irs audited her business and her personal account and then the fbi investigated the business because they have tobacco and firearms for a license to manufacture firearms. upa came down and wrote them . a congressman said his staff down there to investigate this woman. guts than

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only one in -- the irs's position. only one in the sixth judges held that decision. if the statute is ambiguous and the court should defer to the irs, in the future, it will revert to the statutory language. there is a petition for rehearing en banc in the d c circuit that was fired by the federal government on august 1. the response is due at the end of the week. the administration filed this because it helps to eliminate is split and reduce the likelihood that the supreme court will review this decision. the d c circuit has been very stingy at granting en banc decisions. and historically have not considered the circuit court to be in a position to grant en banc decisions. that has to between not the position in the past 10 or 15 years or so. there was a petition to file by the plaintiff before the supreme court that could be enacted upon in the fall and could be the decision on why the bc court will take this -- the d.c. court will take this case en banc. i have probably gone on farther than michael wanted me to, so i will stop there. but i would like to wrap up by

the irs, stonewalling the american people.e gets annoyed and says enough is enough they're going to get answers. >> they were successful than the oversight committee, more successful than ways and means. i will say this. they have to produce the hard drive. they got to show the damage and bring in the technician that will lois lerner i have bad news, lost two years of your e-mail. we get nothing else, the guy comes in, why was the president then? the los lerner i know, didn't really know, would never do something like this. now we have to see the garbage, get the technicians fair and see if they are mentally and intellectually dexterous enough to our run people and outthink judicial -- stuart: the e-mails in the service of the agencys to which the e-mails were sent. can we get them from their? >> they also have problems with other people you might have been corresponding with. finally because right now nobody cares, they go home, some people chop wood, they don't talk to anybody or think about the irs, judicial watch will do s

jon: a potential game-changer, heather, in the irs political targeting scandal. it centers on the missing lois lerner emails. if you remember the irs says it went to unprecedented lengths to try to retrieve two years worth of emails from lois lerner that were supposedly lost in a computer crash. well now there is word from judicial watch, the government watchdog organization, that the government actually has a backup system. the watchdog group says a department of justice attorney admits it and said so on friday but the doj says there is no backup system and this is just the email retention policy the irs has in place. joining us now, ellison barber, staff writer for the "washington free beacon." so, judicial watch is saying they were told on friday, by a department of justice attorney that there is definitely a backup system that should have recorded lois lerner's missing emails. do we know in fact that that actually exists? >> well, theoretically we do know they are supposed to. according to the federal records act we know government agencies are supposed to be

code and has referred it for enforcement to the irs. if this settlement reaches that level that's a whole new level of enforcement and we need to know about that because that shouldn't be something done in secret. the other issue is that litigation, when you have settlement, you can't regulate through late gags, you can't adopt rules through litigation. if the irs has adopted new protocol, that's considered rule making under the administrative procedures act and they can't do that through a lawsuit. they have to go through open processes, notice and comment. there are concerns here about the process, but also whether this group has achieved a victory as they've held it, to get into content beyond candidate endorsement. >> you mentioned the issue with billy graham's ministry. essentially a newspaper ad urged voters to consider these issues about abortion and same-sex marriage and that kind of thing and praying that we will turn our hearts back to god. prey free from religion foundation complained about that now. if they have the power to

in fact, their involvement in this other scandal as part of the irs mess where they were part of an irs attempt to make criminal cases out of what they called let's piece together false claim cases, false application cases. of course, no evidence of any false applications there. but they were going -- they were participating so the idea is absurd. we are in federal court, i will tell you this also. this is some good developments here. in a companion case, very similar fact situation, u.s. district court judge there has allowed the case to move forward, has ordered discovery and also in other cases, the irs is being put on notice that no one, including federal court judges, are buying this destruction of evidence accident that the irs seems to still -- and the president seems to still maintain. >> as you say, that is good news, and it's progress and it's positive, yet we have been now, the next development has been pushed off as i understand it to the month of october. still, the american people have it staring at them straight in the face that this government is corrupt, that the intern

you have the irs chief counsel testifying.ney general say he is pursuing criminal investigations here and then the information's gone? if you intentionally destroy evidence, that is a crime. if you make a statement in court saying the evidence is not available and it is, that is also a crime. there are multiple levels here. eric: where are the cries and demand for special prosecutors, for full investigations, for bringing people into court? where is all that? we would have heard that years ago. >> if it was anybody else you would have but the department of justice is basically taking the position that they are going to stall this thing through, certainly through the midterms, eric. give you one other one here i think is part and parcel of this entire problem. there has been a call for a special prosecutor, special counsel. we had a hearing on that at the end of the july, one of the last hearings congress had and precisely for this reason. the conflict of interest is here. so significant, that you've got the department of justi

people try within the ir storkse irs to hide that which is illegal.ody takes the fifth as a government employee unless they leave they have done something wrong. have criminal liability. she is a lawyer. they tried to stonewall congress hoping this would go away. they had the complicity of the white house and the justice department. >> it's based on probable cause. that's what it's based on. >> the computer crashed on july 13. >> ask the irs. can the commissioner testify before congress the emails are lost when we know they are not. >> the crew dust watch did not -- the judicial watch did not properly interpret that conversation. >> how were the emails wiped clean? how did that happen? don't you think we need a special prosecutor? >> let's be clear about the real issue. we don't know that lois lerner is guilty. and -- >> it's called probable cause. eric: could this be obstruction of justice? >> it could be. >> we have to find out who was the obstructor if there was obstruction of justice. lois lerner has been targeted as the fall person by conservativ

i don't understand why the irs didn't tell the court this.s is just one long -- one example in a long string of obstruction frankly in dishonesty by this agency and a cover-up of the irs abuse. >> tom, thank you. for more joined by julian epsteen ceo of lmg. julian, any of those strike you as problematic? wiping the blackberry when they knew they were under investigation? >> maybe only a little bit. but i think there are some important facts tom didn't discuss. in february of 2012 lois lerner got a new blackberry. which is very common. you exchange old blackberries for new blackberrieblackberries. she got a new blackberry in february 2012. several months later the irs swiped that blackberry, which is again standard operating procedure. >> but it's different when you know you're under congressional investigation. the wiping that happens here at fox news when i need a new blackber blackberry, it would be different if i received a letter from jim jordan saying you're under investigation. >> that's very reasonable, except blackberries at the irs

so here comes the irs. target as part of a stepped up investigative tactic churches. i'm sure with the cooperation of the freedom from religion foundation. it's just part of this militant anti-religious organization's broader agenda. >> they say it's not fair because they say other tax exempt organizations aren't allowed to preach politics so why should a church be allowed to do it. apparently a law says these churches are not allowed to engage in political campaign activity. they can push issues, but they can't explicitly endorse candidates or push political campaigns. and these preachers in some instances, chris, have been trying to violate that provision to sort of taunt the irs into, i dare you to come after me. we have video of some of they will them saying go vote for mitt romney or whoever because they want to test whether this law is constitutional. >> well, that does happen. they certainly have a right to speak. the question is whether they have tax exempt status. but, megyn, understand groups like

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see the irs being ruthless like that. [laughter] if someone received a tax credit in excess of what they are entitled to, they have to pay it back. not all of it and not all the time. there are limits on what people would have to pay back. people could end up having to pay thousands of dollars. what made the obama administration decision so reckless, not only are they taxing and borrowing and spending money they have no authority to touch, but they are using it to induce people to enroll in exchanges that those people could have to pay back the subsidy. those people could get hit with thousands of dollars more on their tax bill. the irs might have the authority not to collect that money. but that is an open question. >> it was reported in the new york times that because the federal government has not been verifying eligibility for the tax credit on these exchanges that somewhere up to 2 million people have not been able to -- that have received tax credits and subsidies may not be eligible. they have not been able to conf

this is the statement the irs gave me in part. they said there are no findings in this report that conclude that any data was used inappropriately in these instances cited. keep in mind the irs only provides contractors access to the necessary data needed to complete if the contracted work and ensures that data is recovered or destroyed when the work is complete. i'm not entirely sure that answers either of our questions in terms of did they call people. it seems like they are saying, no, we didn't, but we're careful so it's not anything that needs to be worried about. they did tell me they have gone back and they're working on enhancing their program guidelines and making sure that these security checks are done appropriately and that they started doing that a year ago. i'm not sure if they called everyone individually. >> i'll leave it up to our viewers to believe that one way or another. have a good weekend. >>> there's been a lot of real talk about social media after. >> he on twitter went after robin williams' daughter after

the irs has identified 83 custodians of documents and information.hey identified these people associated with this targeting of conservative groups and now almost a fourth of them may have had hard drive crashes. unbelievable. fourth, we were told the irs found out in april of 2014, that miss learner's e-mails were lost. but then we learned from mr. cain the irs knew on february 4th, 2014, about miss learner's hard drive crash and that it found out just days later that the hard droouf had been recycled and its confents were unrecoverable. that's why we continue to have hearings. that's why we have mr. koskin back for the third time in a month. we want straight answers. we convened this hearing because today, over a month after the ris told congress

as irs agents.tims who came forward have lost a total of $5 million. we reported about many bay area residents who received the menacing phone calls, scammers claiming to be from the irs agency telling victims they owed thousands of dollars in back taxeses and they are about to be arrested. the con artists demand immediate payment with a preloaded debit card. the irs says 1,100 victims were duped into sending money. if you get such a call, hang up and report it to the irs. >>> california law make remembers set to vote on a bill to ban plastic grocery bags statewide. the plastic industry is going all out to bag that idea. manufacturers rally to urge a no vote on the ban which it goes to committee this week. the bill would outlaw single use plastic bags at most retail stores and require a 10 cent charge for paper bags. proponents say plastic bags harm the environment. can companies say no they don't. >> plastic bags are better for the environment. they're 100% recyclable and made from natural gas not