a professor of contemporary urban studies, irv garfinkel, joins us now. poverty 50 years ago must have looked different than it looks doed. correct? >> yes. >> how did it look back then? >> first of all there was more poor. second, the composition was different. more than one in three was over the age of 55 were poor >> older people were poor. >> yes. >> unambiguous that we made a great victory on the war on poverty against the elderly. we are below 10%. >> for the elderly. >> no, the big group has not done quite so well - they are the chin, families of the children. we have done better than the official measure in the case. the official measure does not count food stamps, does not count the earned income tax credit or public housing or housing substances. when you count the benefits, we reduced poverty with families with children from around 30% to just about 15. cut it almost in half. >> again, back 50 years ago, i wonder if the quality of life was different. if it's fair to compare the two rates. as we mentioned there was concern of people having indoo