chris: irving azoff is a legendary manager.in the 1970's with the eagles, and he has always been one of the toughest guys negotiating in a difficult business. he is now tackling radio because he sees the format is being updated. the compensation for artists was really has to out in the 1930's and 1940's, and that has not changed at all. that is his push lately. carol: what is his push specifically? chris: he has a group of artists -- some of the biggest names in the business, pharrell williams, bruce springsteen, bon jovi -- and he says this is a key part that radio stations play, this is where you are generally advertising, instead of the 4% you are collecting for songwriters, we want a lot more, maybe as much as $.25. carol: let's go into all the streaming services that are out, right, because it has been contentious about what they should be paying. we were talking about pandora, spotify, apple music. how does that fit into it, because we think it does have several different avenues today? chris: it does fit into it because