i think it wasn't for irving kristol and for many people in that generation. that happened through the 1980s and became a much more prominent term really in the last decade. but i do actually identify with a lot of the early neo- conservatives, because what they did, not -- beyond moving from left to right and maybe the reason they moved from left to right is that they tried to apply -- they tried to apply social science to politics in a way that led them to conservatism. they tried to be empirical. they tried to be concrete. they tried to be constructive and so they were a little less theoretical and a little more engaged with politics than earlier generations of conservatives. and i am drawn to that. i think it matters that politics be practical. i think it matters that it answer the particular concerns and needs of the country in a given moment. and i think it matters that it be policy-oriented. and so in that respect you know i do -- i certainly look up to irving kristol as a great intellectual model and a lot of people in my generation do. i don't think t