joining us is maureen shah. [ audio difficulties ] >> i have my doubts, and skepticism. and the reason, there's no doubt that drones are useful. , but the problem in this war is tactics, it was turned into a strategy. so yes, there's thought as leaders who were taken out. osama bin laden, and the second tier leadership, but the problem is that at the same time, there was a rise in terrorist attacks across pakistan. because attacks from weapons, used the drone sites and then pakistan. [ audio difficulties ] we don't know whether created more terrorists. >> the increase in support, it's making hatred. safe nation says this is a horrible policy and strategy. counter productive and creates more extremism. i'm going to go with you on this one. there are three countries where a majority of americans support drone strikes. 61%. and in the past year, we've talked to pretty much every single person of a different type. >> these allegations, looking at what's happening on the ground. and instead, continuing the policy of secrecy. >> well, transparency, the somali said the following